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Old 10-23-2014, 04:52 PM
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I'm potentially opening a can of worms here, but seriously, WTF? I haven't been following this too closely, but a couple of days ago, after hearing so much about this, I had to figure out what all the shitstorm was about.

So apparently some bitter ex boyfriend of a game developer had some nasty things to post about her online. This leads to rumors about her sleeping around to get game reviews and the internet eats them up. Now there's some movement devoted to gamer journalistic integrity or something and this Zoe Quinn is considered public enemy number 1. And she's still getting crapped on 2 months after this!

I don't get it. Of all the people to warrant this much hate, why would it be someone who might have had an affair to boost game reviews? Unless there's something I'm missing... ?
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Old 10-23-2014, 05:59 PM
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Basically it's been picked up by the men's activist groups, and they've been going wild with it.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-ways-g...e-world-worse/ and http://www.mommyish.com/2014/10/16/g...sian-misogyny/ discuss it pretty well.
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Old 10-23-2014, 07:06 PM
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Holy shit, these people went after Felicia Day. All because she posted her concerns with GamerGate. Just when I thought this whole thing couldn't get any stupider.

Some of these gamer gate people are pulling the "we're not all like that" card and while that may be true, I'm still not buying this movement. Especially since they're acting like they've uncovered some huge conspiracy.
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:53 AM
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To be fair, I've been following this from the start and it's a clusterfuck of ideologies and issues that's been reduced at this point to feminists vs. MRA's.

Really, the subheading of Gamergate is a bunch of things.

There is the actual incident which is about the pay to play gaming press. People are concerned about this (it annoyed me before this incident) to various levels.

There's Anita Saarkesian, who singlehandedly is doing more to prove misogyny just by existing and being threatened constantly at this point.

Then there's the main issue, which at this point is feminists insisting its about misogyny and MRA's insisting its about the press. In my estimation, more ink has been spilled invalidating the other issue in a "your issue doesn't matter or is irrelevant, but mine does matter" manner than anything.

If you've followed this thing long enough, you've seen more attempts to spin than a general election campaign.

So far I've learned young white mails are/are not the primary focus of the gaming industry, gamers are/are not defined as young white males, white boys are/are not misogynists, yadda, yadda, yadda. Honestly? It's about writers selling copy. No one is advancing any workable solutions, no one is conceding any points, and what people believe tends to fall exactly along the lines of political spectrum you'd expect.
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Old 10-24-2014, 02:15 AM
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That is probably the best summation I've heard on this mess. Two packs of loudmouth extremes shouting past one another and accusing everyone that doesn't agree as being the enemy. Meanwhile anyone trying for reasonable discourse is shouted down and harassed by both groups. The extremists are more intent on winning than trying to find solutions which is sad because those who are not extremists being lumped in with them are really saying the same things about the problems. They're just not being heard or ignored due to the extremists on both sides.

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Old 10-24-2014, 02:27 AM
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My views of it are... Complicated. I know people who think it'll save gaming, I know people who think it's a horrible mess trying to drive women away. I think it's a damn headache not worth my time.

I think that some people are upset for a very good reason. A lot of feminist criticism in games has been lackluster. Game reviewers are, for the most part, people who got some following or impressed with their reviews, but aren't really great critics. The reviewers are not given enough time to actually give critical analysis to games that even PLAYING them is a full time job.

I think a lot of people in the reviewing business have struggled to provide cultural commentary, and often come off as condescending and insulting to a portion of their readership. I know I was super pissed off by Moviebob's Big Picture/Game Overthinker crossover. Similarly by his "Expendables" review a few years back, which, though a movie, was still pretty insulting to anyone who liked the movie.

I think that people got kind of sick of feeling attacked for liking the games that they liked, and that became a powderkeg ready to explode. Some damn fool thing in the balkans kicked it off, and there was a huge fight.

Meanwhile, there are also people who really are just jackasses, and they saw an opportunity to direct that explosion in the right direction. Some people just want to cause chaos, or are allowing their grudges to say "Hey, here's a chance to fuck over that person!" Angry people are being guided by anger. I can certainly empathize with their anger, since they felt they were being attacked and insulted for having an opinion, for liking games, or some type of game, or whatever. Then they lash out, which is a mess, and get pushed by people who are already actively malicious, and people fight back. And it's a mess.
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Old 10-24-2014, 03:37 AM
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My main thought on this is that the ex that started this shitstorm must be loving every minute of it...
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Old 10-24-2014, 03:53 AM
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I've seen the idea of "saving gaming" brought up elsewhere but I still don't see what it needs to be saved from in regards to the people GG is attacking. the ones ruinging gaming are the big companies wandering around with their heads up their ass not the reporters. Even so it doesn't feel like gaming needs saving very much to me. Console gaming maybe but again it's more that the companies can't understand people buy a video game console to play video games and everything else is gravy.
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Old 10-24-2014, 05:36 AM
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I've seen the idea of "saving gaming" brought up elsewhere but I still don't see what it needs to be saved from in regards to the people GG is attacking. the ones ruinging gaming are the big companies wandering around with their heads up their ass not the reporters. Even so it doesn't feel like gaming needs saving very much to me. Console gaming maybe but again it's more that the companies can't understand people buy a video game console to play video games and everything else is gravy.
Pretty much this. I don't play many video games, but I never got the feeling it needed saving and if it did, the Zoe Quinn thing seems so small scale that I don't see it would be the focus. I just don't see how one person allegidly sleeping around and an EX boyfriends rant can trigger this much of a shitstorm.

GamerGate is looking like the tea party. Claiming to stand for one thing while being a haven for other stuff (in this case MRA idiots).
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Old 10-24-2014, 07:30 AM
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My favorite statement on all of GamerGate remains the editor's introduction to the Cracked.com article that Zoe Quinn herself wrote:

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A few weeks ago our message board and general inbox were bombarded with demands we address something called the "GamerGate Scandal", posts written with the urgency and rage one would associate with, say, discovering that Chipotle burritos are made entirely from the meat of human babies. It's apparently a big deal in some circles, so we followed the links and read the piles of data presented, and had to stop and take a deep breath just to grasp it all. "Gentlemen," we said amid the stunned silence, "do you realize that if what they're saying is true, then this is still the most pointless fucking bullshit anyone has ever forced us to read?"
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