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Old 06-08-2017, 10:57 PM
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This topic came up on local talk radio and an interesting twist was brought up. What about the women that agree to sex but then through deception purposely get pregnant? I've heard of women and men purposely poking a hole in condoms but also women that falsely tell their partner they are on birth-control when they aren't.
Is one worse than the other?
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Old 06-11-2017, 10:26 AM
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the act itself is just as bad, but there are additional motivations- which can also apply to a man tricking a woman inot getting pregnant- that could aggravate it.(basically, motivation matters)
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Old 06-12-2017, 01:03 PM
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Tanasi's question is an interesting one...

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"I consent to vaginal sex while you wear a condom.
*doesn't wear a condom*

I didn't consent to that."

sounds like rape to me. It doesn't have to be violent to be rape.
Would you apply the same logic the other way around? If the woman obtains consent for sex with a condom, then sabotages the condom to become pregnant? Leaving aside the difficulty of proving that: would you still consider it rape?
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:34 PM
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Its rape plain and simple.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:35 PM
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Tanasi's question is an interesting one...



Would you apply the same logic the other way around? If the woman obtains consent for sex with a condom, then sabotages the condom to become pregnant? Leaving aside the difficulty of proving that: would you still consider it rape?
Still rape.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:39 PM
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If its not consent its rape. A grey area would be if people are so under the influence of some intoxicating substance they forget. But if its on purpose its rape.
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:37 PM
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Maybe I'm being naive here but even in the heat of the moment, I Could easily feel if the girl was trying to take off the condom. Vice versa, wouldn't the girl also know whats going on if there's a sudden pause in the 'action'?
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:45 PM
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Maybe I'm being naive here but even in the heat of the moment, I Could easily feel if the girl was trying to take off the condom. Vice versa, wouldn't the girl also know whats going on if there's a sudden pause in the 'action'?
From everyone I've talked to, it's a lot easier for a guy to tell if a condom is on or not.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:14 PM
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I'm sure it has a lot to do with the individual and they type of condom used though. Some condoms more sensitive for the guy in which case the loss might not be as noticeable. Some condoms are rougher for the women so if it came off she may notice immediately.

My guess is in practice it would probably be more easy for a guy who tried to pull the stunt to tamper so it falls off naturally, but I have to confess I'm not sure how either party wouldn't notice.

And sign me up for catcul and bara's take - if you invalidate the terms that consent was given, yea that's sexual assault.
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Hello from the BDSM community. As I was taught, consent is a "yes" answer, not an "absence of no." If the guy agrees to put on a condom to have sex with another adult only to take it off intentionally during the act, that is non-consensual sex. Non-consensual sex is considered rape. It might be rape by fraud instead of forcible rape, but it's still rape. Intentionally sabotaging a condom would be considered rape as well.

As for the broken condom, if a condom either breaks or falls off, that's considered an accident.
Both partners should make sure that doesn't happen in the future.
It seems that the State of California agrees with me.

California has made stealthing illegal.
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