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Old 07-30-2018, 10:45 PM
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Here is another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzdxFrZpWjY&t=210s

I swear, fucking bullshit.... Parents refuse an unnecessary test and CPS comes to the door and says "Make her get tested or we'll take your kid!"

I know exactly what CPS was thinking. "Hmm.... pale skin, blonde hair and blue eyes. She's a prime adoption candidate that will get us a nice bonus when she's quickly adopted out of foster care!"
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Old 08-01-2018, 05:02 PM
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Here is another:
You realize these are all fake right? There are no adoption bonuses.

These aren't parents that had their kids kidnapped. These are parents who lost their kids for being determined by a jury of their peers to be unfit parents.

At least one of the stories you have linked the girl wasn't then "adopted out and woot bonus" she was taken in by her grandparents who were granted custody of her after a Jury found her mom guilty of Munchausen by Proxy.

I have met parents like this. I had neighbors when I lived in Texas that loved to tell me how their kids were "kidnapped" by the system because "the state loves getting money from Foster Care" Apparently ignoring the fact that the state pays Foster parents and not the other way around.

When they described how they treated their kids my only thought was "Holy shit I would have rescued your kids too"

The whole "My kids were kidnapped by a faceless government agency looking to make a buck. I am a victim in all of this I just want my children back" blah blah blah.

It's all horseshit. The parents who clean up their act and jump through the bloody hoops get their kids back. Yeah it's a pain in the ass and it sucks how many hoop there are.

The thing is those organizations exist to protect those kids not the feelings of those parents. I have a friend who lost her son temporarily because her ex husband put their child in the bloody hospital to the point the kid almost died.

He went to prison for it. She lost custody until they could ascertain that she wasn't part of the abuse. She jumped through hoops for half a year but she got her son back and has been raising him without interference ever since.

If she had been an abuser too then being all "well technically we don't know that you did anything so sure you get a second chance to kill your son" would have been criminally stupid.

If I saw a credible news source pushing the story with good research and not just an interview of the "victims" then I would put a lot more stock into it.

And before you say "Liberal Media" the media is neither Liberal or Conservative. Yes different people have different political lenses but there isn't some groupthink in Media if there was then half the shit on TV wouldn't even exist.

CPS in every case attempts to place a child with family before even considering Foster Care. With cooperative parents they will even ask "which family member would you recommend" then they will background check that relative and choose them. Even if it takes the child out of their state and into a different state's purview denying them those sweet sweet adoption bonuses that you're convinced exist.

This is a hoax perpetrated by the parents that couldn't get their shit together.

The only people that would benefit from this hoax being true would be the parents trying to get their kids back without being good parents because the court of public opinion would be firmly on their side.

It's just not true.
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Old 08-02-2018, 04:31 AM
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At least one of the stories you have linked the girl wasn't then "adopted out and woot bonus" she was taken in by her grandparents who were granted custody of her after a Jury found her mom guilty of Munchausen by Proxy.
Okay so I found a story from a local news site about this one:

https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/new....html#comments

Here are some bits I found interesting:

"The hospital, which declined to comment because of patient privacy, wrote a letter May 1 to Child Protective Services stating the hospital performed extensive research and testing, and there was no evidence the HPV shot could be causing Aniya to have these symptoms."

The gardasil vaccine has been known to cause serious issues in people who have felt forced to take it.... I would not be surprises if they just want to cover it up at behest of Big Pharma and blame the mother for the child's illness.

"She questions why Child Protective Services didn't review all her daughter's medical records before taking action against her."

Because CPS has a problem with thinking that all doctors are smart and all parents are stupid, and would rather take the word of doctors even when they are wrong.

"The caseworker's report said she refused to pump at the hospital, and the hospital suspected she was diluting formula."

Is it really anyone's business where the mother pumps breast milk? That case worker is a cunt.

"A caseworker reported that hospital staff think Vasquez was keeping her daughter sick in order to sue Guel-Valdivia for the accidental injection."

That's it. The doctor and hospital would rather accuse the mother of Munchausen by Proxy rather than admit she (meaning the doctor) fucked up and caused issues with a child.
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The gardasil vaccine has been known to cause serious issues in people who have felt forced to take it....
1) That statement right there "by people forced to take it" Here's the thing if your forced to take anything and you have negative feelings about it you are psychologically primed to have a negative reaction to it. I felt ill when I was vaccinated with five shots at once when I was at Inception before Basic Training. My symptoms didn't match up to anything that they gave me but did match up to an anxiety attack.

2) The child's symptoms cleared up when the child was removed from the mother's care. If the symptoms were due to the shot and not in fact due to things the mother was doing then this would not be the case. The Grandparents taking care of the child were two of the people to note that the child's symptoms cleared up not just the doctors.
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Old 08-03-2018, 03:33 AM
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....The Grandparents taking care of the child were two of the people to note that the child's symptoms cleared up not just the doctors....


Yeah, the doctors paid by CPS to say that. What do you think they were going to say? Also, I have read stories when CPS places a child in the care of relatives the case workers will threaten to put the kids in foster care if they don't say exactly what CPS tells them to say. I would not be surprised at all if CPS told them, "If your stories don't line up to support our MBPS accusation the child is out of here." They are a very evil bunch.

Then there is this story that I couldn't finish reading because I got so pissed:

Healthy newborn taken for no reason.

A piece of shit case worker faked this mother's "mental illness" diagnosis so CPS can place her son into foster care and grab extra federal funds if he's adopted out (Guess they don't like using the word "bonus"). The mother has started a go fund me page to help with her legal expenses to try get her son back. If I had the money, I would definitely donate. The page also links to the case worker's facebook account - let's hope people send her PM's with some choice words about the heartbreak she caused this mother.
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Old 08-06-2018, 06:16 PM
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What the ever loving hell is going on in this thread.......

Stop it with these bias blog posts as news stuff. Anita Vasquez was tired and found guilty in a trial of her peers. Their defense with the HPV vaccine was basically laughed out of court.

The baby was admitted to the hospital with low sodium in her system multiple times. Meaning she was being fed water, not enough milk or formula. Hospital staff testified that she did not breast feed and the formula appeared to be watery. The experts testified in the 100 or so cases of infants getting the vaccine, nothing like this has ever happened.

When in the grandparents care she got noticeably and quantifiable - better.

All this ignored evidence by CPS is a fabrication. This went to jury trial, CPS acted on a report from a hospital, after they noticed a pattern that showed abuse.

Also HEMI6point1, moving the goalposts with another conspiracy theory is not any sort of evidence. First off the hospital did not give the gardasil vac, it was her pediatrician. The Infant, and her 13 year old son were being seen at the same time. And gardasil, is not prescribed to infants in the first place. There is no reason the hospital would need to cover it up.

Also gardasil is quite safe. Most of the reported 'major adverse reactions' fall within the statistical range for developing a serious medical issue. /

As for the Alabama case. I can not find a collaborating new story, or even a source in the article. And its filled with gems like.

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Ericka Lawery has alleged that Chelsea has “severe mental illness.” However, the only mental health diagnoses that Chelsea says that she has ever had were Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and anxiety. These are conditions which might be expected in a survivor of human trafficking. How cruel is it to weaponize such a diagnosis against her and punish the victim that the Child Protective system was charged with helping?
First off, Chelsea says she does not have a major mental disorder just PTSD. Because PTSD is not major at all! Short answer it is. Also if the age of majority for alabama is 19, and she is 18. She still is in CPS custody no matter how much the article tries to dilute the impact of that. Note she is 19 now, but the baby was born when she was 18. And of course the very one sided nature of these articles, from only the parents PoV makes every staement suspect.

While I can't find any data to support this, based on what I know of hospital procedures. And the language the hospital staff used when they took the child. Its the kind of excuse you give when the baby tests for an illegal substance.

Anyway, according to the https://www.gofundme.com/bring-kason-stokes-home they have visitation. The last update makes me feel like they got their son back.
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:22 PM
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Also HEMI6point1, moving the goalposts with another conspiracy theory is not any sort of evidence. First off the hospital did not give the gardasil vac, it was her pediatrician. The Infant, and her 13 year old son were being seen at the same time. And gardasil, is not prescribed to infants in the first place. There is no reason the hospital would need to cover it up.
The article clearly states that the gardasil vaccine was given to her daughter by mistake at the hands of the doctor that was doing it. It was intended for her 13 year old son. By the way, if this woman was such a bad mother to her infant daughter, why was she allowed to keep her sons?

By the way, I have done a little bit of reading up on parents accused of "Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy." Parents who accuse doctors of malpractice or mistakes that cause their children problems are being betrayed by hospitals who accuse them of MSBP and sic CPS on them rather than own up to their fuckups. It's a widespread trend that is sadly more common than you think.

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First off, Chelsea says she does not have a major mental disorder just PTSD. Because PTSD is not major at all! Short answer it is. Also if the age of majority for alabama is 19, and she is 18. She still is in CPS custody no matter how much the article tries to dilute the impact of that. Note she is 19 now, but the baby was born when she was 18. And of course the very one sided nature of these articles, from only the parents PoV makes every staement suspect.

While I can't find any data to support this, based on what I know of hospital procedures. And the language the hospital staff used when they took the child. Its the kind of excuse you give when the baby tests for an illegal substance.
One of the justifications for taking the baby was that the mother failed to register the impending childbirth with CPS.

I can tell you that if my significant other was told she needed to register her impending childbirth with CPS I would laugh in their face and tell them no.... followed by "Kiss My Ass." The only thing you're required to do in life is die and pay taxes. CPS can go fuck off and drop off a cliff.

Also, PTSD does not automatically mean you are going to be a bad parent. If the case worker seriously used that to drum up "mental illness" to help her case then she's a cunt that needs to be knocked into next week!

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While I can't find any data to support this, based on what I know of hospital procedures. And the language the hospital staff used when they took the child. Its the kind of excuse you give when the baby tests for an illegal substance.
Are you referring to the part of the article when a nurse said to the mother that she is taking the baby for an "assessment" and never came back? To be honest, I did have that initial thought; maybe the kid tested positive for drugs? I'm no medical expert, but if that was the case doesn't the hospital have a duty to tell the mother that the baby tested positive for something? Why be so secretive?
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The article clearly states that the gardasil vaccine was given to her daughter by mistake at the hands of the doctor that was doing it. It was intended for her 13 year old son. By the way, if this woman was such a bad mother to her infant daughter, why was she allowed to keep her sons?

By the way, I have done a little bit of reading up on parents accused of "Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy." Parents who accuse doctors of malpractice or mistakes that cause their children problems are being betrayed by hospitals who accuse them of MSBP and sic CPS on them rather than own up to their fuckups. It's a widespread trend that is sadly more common than you think.
I will blame the article for this misconception. Because it does a good job trying to confuse the two issues.

Issue 1- The infant was given the gardasil vaccine by Doctor "A's" office.

Issue 2- The infant later was admitted to the hospital and diagnosed with low sodium (fed water). This occurred a few times and over these vists the infant was seen my doctors B, C ,D and E. Until Doctor F made the judgment call to contact CPS due to suspected abuse. No different then the child that comes in every week with a fresh injury.

The problem with the malpractice claim is that the hospital did not do anything that constituted malpractice. The only doctor who did was "DR A" who had no relation with the hospital doctors, and in the end I suspect that was a mistake a nurse made when prepping the vaccines to be administered.

The reason "Dr A" is dragged into this at all is that the parents are blaming the gardasil for the baby's symptoms after the hospital reported them to CPS.

Remember this went to a jury trial as well. The jury rejected the gardasil defense, and in the end the child was placed with the grandparents.

HEMI6point1 this site is going to aggravate you because I think your predisposed to believe their bias. The Texas case is the most glaring case of bias because it went to court and so allot of the case info can be publicly viewed.

"Medicalkidnap.com" went out of their way to suggest that gardasil vaccine presented in the infant in a unique way. That CPS ignored that possibility because they where conspiring with the hospital to cover up a malpractice case the hospital itself was not involved in.

The hospital believed it was a case of "Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy" and reported that to CPS. Reading third party reports about the case. I highly suspect that the belief of CPS was that the mother was keeping the baby sick for a payout.

If the baby was sick long term after the gardasil vaccine they could try and sue for damages. Of the 100 or so infants to mistakenly receive the vaccine, the worst was fussiness and a small fever. In fact the reason why they don't recommend the gardasil vaccine until the child is older, until right before they are sexually active. Is because gardasil requires boosters every 6 years so it simply be unnecessary, not dangerous.

Whats more likely, vast conspiracy by doctors to cover a child receiving an unnecessary vaccination that is not dangerous. Or a parent edging for a payout and getting caught.

Either way the site does not report the facts, they simply reports a bias. And I think its one you already find easy to believe.

I was going to comment more on the Alabama case, but I cut it out. Its the same problem, the article has a large bias and lots of contradictions. But I don't know what truth is in there, because there is not collaborating articles for me to look at to try and figure out what the facts of the case are. And its a moot point, I think they have already gotten the child back.

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Going to have to find another source on this next one but until then....

Mistake leads to CPS taking away couple's kids.

Doesn't CPS realize that shit like this is going to make parents scared to death to bring kids to the ER?
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However, there are medical studies that have concluded that short falls can cause injury, up to and including fatal head injuries. According to a study published in the American Journal of Forensic Medical Pathology:

The author concludes that an infant or child may suffer a fatal head injury from a fall of less than 3 meters (10 feet). (Source.)
If you read said paper the youngest person used was 12 months not 6 weeks.

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Chris Van Ee, PhD, points out that babies who are shaken violently enough to cause brain hemorrhaging would be “expected” to have neck injuries. (Source.)
Linked paper was trying to say that a 2008 incident was not shaken baby. Either the child fell or his head was forced against a wall. Hard to tell the difference. No bearing on the argument in play here.

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Camden doesn’t. Nor do any other children whose parents have been suspected of Shaken Baby Syndrome or Abusive Head Trauma that Health Impact News has covered.
This is the first mention of SBS in the entire article. Its like the author went out of their way to fabricate a straw-man.

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This is not uncommon. They were almost 2 1/2 months premature. It is well established within the medical literature that brain bleeds are quite common in premature babies.
However article does not mention the babies were treated for IVH.

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Camden’s medical records show that he was low in Vitamin D, which can contribute to subdural hematoma. He also had anemia of prematurity.

Both Camden and his fraternal twin brother, Noah, spent a month and a half in the NICU. The babies had some brain bleeding from birth.
Oh there we go. Not sure if the person is just bad at writing 'news' or tired to bury this info.

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Common Childbirth Practice Could Lead to Later False Diagnosis of Shaken Baby Syndrome
Links to own article as proof. Not only is that not count as a reference, should of linked to the info used to prepare the article. It is just tacky. Also the linked article is so fucking wrong.... sigh.

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To date, no doctor or investigator has compared scans from Camden’s prior brain bleeding to those following his fall off of the bed, though it would seem a prudent course of action.
Yes because NICU babies are sent home regularly with still occurring hematoma. Also IVH looks allot different then bleed from a fall.

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There are over 2 million cases of subdural hematomas, or brain bleeding, in newborns within the United States each year. AAP policy says that all 2 million cases resolve on their own by the time babies are 5 to 8-weeks-old. Any bleeding after that point must by default be due to violent child abuse or to serious trauma such as a car accident.
Really this does not get a link?

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See Dr. Gabaeff’s study:

Investigating the possibility and probability of perinatal subdural hematoma progressing to chronic subdural hematoma, with and without complications, in neonates, and its potential relationship to the misdiagnosis of abusive head trauma
Ok I read some most of it. Also the "study" is actually an article pointing at issues they found with another study. In the scientific world this would be the jumping of point to get someone to fund an actual study to research this issue.

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The article argues that a small percentage, but significant number of neonates, suffer birth related complications and findings secondary to the development of chronic subdural hematoma CSDH) that are often misdiagnosed as abusive head trauma.
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When there is no trauma, but caregivers report a prodrome of illness that can result in hemorrhage, the illness is often dismissed. If blood, either SDH or SAH, is present AHT is highly likely to be diagnosed. The hygroma from PSDH then too can “become” an alleged prior abusive act that “caused” the CSDH.
Yea the paper is about non trauma events being misdiagnosed as trauma. There was a trauma event. Its not an accurate comparison. Nor is the "Study" a study in scientific terms. Its basically a doctor going, I disagree with this and why.

I could go on, but the article relies heavily on a cherry picked "study" from 2008 to validate their point of view. And present it like everyone else in the medical community is wrong because they did not agree with that one doctor. Reminds me allot of "sovereign citizen" arguments. I found that 1 doctor that agrees with me, screw the 1000 others who don't.

From an outside point of view, the necrotizing enterocolitis and the fall. Make me think the rational is not, trying to kidnap the children because 'reasons'. But there is a really good chance that the parents are overwhelmed and simply have trouble caring for 2 infants and and 2 older children. Not abuse in the way we see it, violence. But simply unintentional neglect.

They go out of there way to show that the parents are overworked and having difficulties as a excuse for the fall. What if in reality it is as simple as that, overworked, tired, overwhelmed.

In the end I don't know for sure. But its an alternative point of view that fits the info given. And does not increase to the level of a conspiracy theory.

The fact the the children were simply placed with family. Instead of being adopted out for money also seems to contradict the original premise of the thread.
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