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Old 01-30-2019, 02:53 AM
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So first, question the source Canarr -


This is essentially a conservative repackaging of TERF ideology (Trans Exclusive Radical Feminism).


On the left they've been known about for a while. So the disagreement has always been on the left, but also basically on the same side that was into "lesbianism as the only way to equality" etc. We're talking extremely fringey.

That's not to say I don't understand their argument - its just a bad argument. I agree there may be some people who choose to identify as "trans" after the fact that may not be on the up and up, but believing a group of Lesbian women that choose to speak at the Heritage Foundation of all places (they're really known for the LGB activism, right?) is giving the forum to someone that really has lost their ethos to even be talking on an issue.

They're there because they were kicked out of LGBT communities for attacking trangender people one too many times. The argument itself, that transgender advocacy is actually male rights doesn't even make logical sense given their paradigm sees male rights as far and above what women enjoy - that is, a transgender woman makes no logical sense.... it courts a degredation of status.

Most of these women got kicked out because as new voices came in, they were challenged by them and acted like such territorial assholes they got a rational wiki article named after them. And because these were leaders, depending on advocacy fundraisers for jobs, losing social status meant they had to find a new audience. Heritage has always paid well.
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Old 01-30-2019, 06:35 AM
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Haven't seen that factchecking website before; thanks for the tip.

TERFs, however, I know. They're not very active in Germany, but there were a few instances in the UK that made headlines last year when they clashed with Trans activists. I know they're the fringiest of the fringe, but I'm still enough of an optimist to hope that religious conservatives who oppose Trans people on spiritual-biological reasons are also only a fringe.

My post was mostly caused by my amusement that two extreme groups that generally want nothing to do with each other can still agree when it comes to picking on someone else. Didn't go much deeper than that, I'm afraid.
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