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Old 02-01-2019, 12:51 AM
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OK, the whole issue of whether prostitution should be legal or not aside, how the hell is this policy even legal? I'm pretty certain that discrimination based on gender has been illegal for several decades.

Not only that, simply assuming a woman is a hooker can land you in hot water. Some idiot who was working at a truck stop found out the hard way awhile back. I have a female friend who used to be a truck driver, and one day when she was driving, she stopped at a truck stop, as truckers often do.

As soon as she walked in, the guy working there told her that he didn't want "her kind" in his store. She asked him what she meant by "her kind", and he told her, "Lot lizards."

She walked out and called her supervisor what happened. Her supervisor was PISSED. He called the store manager and told him what happened, and the employee was fired on the spot.
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Old 02-02-2019, 12:14 AM
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It's not legal.

But maybe the issue here more than anything is women have started doing the same thing towards men so it may be the "right to choose your clientele" is less about equality than it used to be since messing with it over here brings up issues with it over there.

As far as women's only gyms, women's only clubs, women's only workspaces - that's all been on the rise recently. That doesn't even get into women's only festivals and all the way down to women's only showings of films. Yea the dude's were stupid to protest that stuff, but on the surface of the issue they're not wrong.

Not saying that to bag on it - I just think the old school (where I come from) interpretation of discrimination is discrimination is sorta dead. The new school seems to be pretty OK with discriminatory behavior as long as it doesn't rub them the wrong way. Essentially the coupling of perceived "power" which is always imbalanced in one direction OK's anything.

But insomuch as this person is doing specific things with men or women, that's not even atypical for New York at this point. And if an AG chooses to go after this case it's going to validate cases against places like The Wing, The Riveter,etc. Those types of establishments used to be power hubs for men keeping their power but were broken up a long time ago. The only reason the other-side equivilent hasn't really gotten slammed yet, is there's not a huge body of current case law so it's easier to let it slide than it would be otherwise.

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Old 02-26-2019, 10:22 PM
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this whole thing is a slippery slope because besides the CIS gendered people, you've got trans, those who don't identify as male or female, or some other gender queer setup. What about them?
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Old 02-27-2019, 12:08 AM
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I can see the side of both people, as a woman wanting to sit at the bar to grab a fast meal without soaking up a 2top that could be wanted by a couple for dinner, and by the bar for not wanting hookers bothering their cutstomers.

But then again, as a single woman sitting at a bar waiting for my boyfriend who was tendin to get off work, I was more than once sent drinks and offers, including one memorable one by a guy with his son who wanted to hire me to break in his virgin son ... yikes. Sitting at a bar alone after doing my sound check when I was in a band *always* got me hit on by men, and I broke more than one kneecap sitting there minding my own business [I was working a a machinist at the time, and had steel toed sneakers that I frequently wore because I did my sound checks right after getting off work and didn't bother to change out of my work clothes. When portuned, I would tell the guy or guys no, if they persisted I would toss whatever shot I was drinking in their face, third strike and you are out was a steel toed sneaker to the kneecap. I will also say that the bike gang members and gang bangers at the scummy holes we played at took no for an answer, the asshats tended to be the college students and yuppies at the slightly better venues. I much preferred playing biker bars despite the chicken wire between us and the audience =) ]
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Old 02-27-2019, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by telecom_goddess View Post
this whole thing is a slippery slope because besides the CIS gendered people, you've got trans, those who don't identify as male or female, or some other gender queer setup. What about them?
I'm thinking they are few enough in number to not warrant separate consideration for the restaurant ownders. If they're willing to alienate the women legitimately wanting to eat at the bar, then they're not going to worry about a handful of trans people.
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