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Old 07-29-2010, 11:58 AM
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I really wonder about people who come to a debate site and then take personal offense when some one debates them, because they don't really know how to debate.

They see it as just a forum for self expression and get all slighted when they are called on it.

I'm sorry, but there's no "free pass" around here for posting one's views unchallenged.

If you feel strongly enough about it, then it's up to you to provide the proof of your argument and attempt to negate the other person's argument.

Just because you make a convincing argument, there is nothing in the rules that says a member has to concede to you, and if they don't, that is not personally attacking.

Now, I realize some of the problem can be related to the fact that we do refer people here from CS when they post a controversial topic over there.
We don't always take into account that the person may not have strong debating skills when we are diverting them to fratching, but it's a bit of a price we pay, I guess, to keep the bickering off CS.

We do allow for that, though, to a certain degree, I think, but every once in a while, there is an issue with someone seeing normal debate as a personal attack.

I think Boozy explained things very well in this thread.

Our job as moderators is to step in if a member is genuinely obnoxious and resorts to obvious personal attacks or uses wording that is actually insulting.

To use an analogy, we will not step into the sandbox and start slapping hands just because someone doesn't have the ability to fling the sand as quickly and as accurately.

We are of the opinion that, if you're stepping into the box, then be prepared to get a bit dirty and learn to deflect it back to the other person.
If you can't do that, then step out of the box, please, and take it as a lesson learned.
On the other hand, if someone decides to toss a bit of mud, then we will jump all over that person and remove them from the box for playing dirty and messing up the box for everybody else.

Does that make sense?
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Old 07-30-2010, 05:20 AM
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Yeah it does.


I'm just lousy at expressing my views. My brain works to randomy to ever be coherient.
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Old 07-30-2010, 05:25 AM
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Ah, but you can accept debate for what it is, and don't mistake it for personal attacks, from what I've seen, Plaid.
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Old 07-30-2010, 05:32 AM
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Sometimes.... XD

Other times I just get very angry at some posters for their views.

Too strongheaded to understand why they have those views.
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Old 07-30-2010, 04:35 PM
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My only issue is that sometimes people post here to vent because it isn't appropriate for CS (usually the reason) and they may not necessarily be looking for hugs and encouragement, but just need to get something off of their chest, and someone always has to come along and challenge them or nitpick at their post.

I understand it's a debate site. I have shown some weaknesses and stepped back and taken breaks (although for different reasons), but sometimes I feel some members treat this site as more of a nitpick or disagree just to disagree place, which defeats the purpose of a decent debate.
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Old 07-30-2010, 08:06 PM
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just need to get something off of their chest, and someone always has to come along and challenge them or nitpick at their post.

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but sometimes I feel some members treat this site as more of a nitpick or disagree just to disagree place, which defeats the purpose of a decent debate.
This site is not here for people to just 'get things off their chest' without being challenged. Nitpicking is a very valid debate tactic, as even minor flaws in an argument can bring the whole thing toppling down. To be quite frank, if you're not strong enough to either admit you were wrong on a certain point or back out of it entirely, you shouldn't be posting on this site. If you know that it's a debate site, you shouldn't be upset with people here using debate tactics in the conversations/arguments. That's not to say that I encourage people to be mean, but you really ought to know what you're getting into posting here. Especially people who have been around this site for a significant length of time.
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Old 07-30-2010, 09:05 PM
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This site is not here for people to just 'get things off their chest' without being challenged. Nitpicking is a very valid debate tactic, as even minor flaws in an argument can bring the whole thing toppling down. To be quite frank, if you're not strong enough to either admit you were wrong on a certain point or back out of it entirely, you shouldn't be posting on this site. If you know that it's a debate site, you shouldn't be upset with people here using debate tactics in the conversations/arguments. That's not to say that I encourage people to be mean, but you really ought to know what you're getting into posting here. Especially people who have been around this site for a significant length of time.
Just the thing. Some people post at CS just to vent. The thread is closed and told to go to fratching. So .... yeah. They can't vent at cs, have to post here but they suck at debate and get attacked by several people. Just saying.
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Old 07-30-2010, 09:52 PM
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The venting is often of a political nature, or religious, or something that we cannot safely have there - such as those will cause member to attack member.

However, those sort of links or topics are often posted with the intention of making a point about something. If you're making a point, you should be willing to back it up. If you cannot back it up, is it worth making?

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Old 07-31-2010, 12:03 AM
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My only issue is that sometimes people post here to vent because it isn't appropriate for CS (usually the reason) and they may not necessarily be looking for hugs and encouragement, but just need to get something off of their chest, and someone always has to come along and challenge them or nitpick at their post.
I feel like that sums up the Things I Hate section. I go there to bitch about stuff where I'll hear a lot of "that's insensitive" and crap like that. That's why I love Fratching.
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:50 AM
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I don't think it's being "mean", as I do have a backbone and thicker skin than to run away from the computer crying that people are "mean" because they don't agree with me.

Sometimes I just want to bitch about stupid coworkers or family members or random things, not always necessarily religious or controversial, and I just play it safe by doing it here, rather than CS, but sorry for saying, I personally can't see why some of the nitpicking/devil's advocate/nay saying is so rampant. To me, I equate it with the "fail to see the suck" problem at CS. No suck involved, but you get my drift. Many people have let something off of their chest that they can't say to anyone they know, it may be too hot for CS, so they post, and people have the nerve to say "Why is this even a problem?" or other crap like that.

I am not saying I can't debate or that we all need to be nicey nicey to one another. I realize the main point of this site is for hot topics and debating, and it's not a vent site, maybe I should go make my own. Just feeling the need to express what pisses me off and what has bothered me. We've had a few members here in recent times (who are now banned) that I felt were just out to nitpick and argue (not debate, argue) with everyone over anything posted.
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