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Old 04-09-2018, 12:05 AM
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Default And some said this was ridiculous...knife control in London...

London's Mayor Declares Intense New 'Knife Control' Policies To Stop Epidemic Of Stabbings

https://www.dailywire.com/news/29179...-emily-zanotti

This is a direct Twitter quote from the mayor of London:

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"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."
Does that phraseology sound familiar to any of you?

And a quote from the article:

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London has seen a dramatic uptick in murder rates, surpassing even New York City in number of homicides every month since the beginning of 2018. It has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world, and, technically, knives carried "without good reason" are off limits to anyone under the age of 18.
Emphasis mine.

So when do we implement background checks to buy knives? When are we going to limit how many knives someone can have?
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Old 04-09-2018, 12:12 AM
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So what are you suggesting? That they ignore the problem?
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Old 04-09-2018, 10:40 AM
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It might be more promising to reverse some of the police's budget cuts:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...report-reveals
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Old 04-09-2018, 07:39 PM
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Lets see article is vague, but what I can tell.

-There is an uptick in stabbings and acid attacks.

-That these attacks are gang and minor related.

-That they are going to increase police funding for police and target the worst affected area's.

-Parlemnt is going to "take up introduce a ban on online knife sales and home knife deliveries, declare it "illegal to possess zombie knives and knuckledusters in private"

Ok so all good

Oh and there is this gem

"London has seen a dramatic uptick in murder rates, surpassing even New York City in the number of homicides every month since the beginning of 2018. It has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world, and, technically, knives carried "without good reason" are off limits to anyone under the age of 18."

Looking in to a little more this includes gun murders too.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/london-...ife-gun-crime/

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LONDON -- A surge of stabbings in London was blamed Monday for the city overtaking New York's monthly murder tally for the first time in modern history. Fifteen people were murdered in London during February, compared to 14 in New York, according to police figures.

The British capital also suffered 22 fatal stabbings and shootings in March, higher than the 21 in New York. There have been 10 fatal stabbings in London in the last 19 days, following on from the 80 fatal stabbings recorded in the city last year.
But also remember that New York has had back to back snowstorms and other rough weather for the last two months. And that historically lowers the amount of violent crime in a city. So this may be more of a statistical curiosity then anything more telling of US and UK weapon laws and culture.

As for MJR's consern about this

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"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."
How the UK law is written, its very hard to come up with legal reason to justify simply carrying a knife at all times. The exception exists for reasons like work (a foam knife) or transportation. It see it more as a message to people who feel like that the 'good reason' exception is more like a loophole they can use. So I am leaning towards that as what he means. The carry for self protection idea is not well embraced in the UK as a whole.
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Old 04-10-2018, 04:47 AM
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Is all law enforcement there all one big force or is it like here in the US where we have Federal, state, county and city/town LEOs. All different agencies.
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Old 04-10-2018, 04:51 AM
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Here I carry a pocket knife at all times with my current one having a 3 inch (approx 7cm) blade that is open assisted. Would that be legal for a regular person to tote?
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Old 04-10-2018, 01:06 PM
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Is all law enforcement there all one big force or is it like here in the US where we have Federal, state, county and city/town LEOs. All different agencies.
The UK has a more uniform police structure. Nationwide acts cover how local police jurisdictions work. Nothing like a county or state police etc... They have about 45-50 police jurisdictions. I will post a youtube video I found interesting about the subject later.


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Here I carry a pocket knife at all times with my current one having a 3 inch (approx 7cm) blade that is open assisted. Would that be legal for a regular person to tote?
I think anything that folds, not spring assist, less then three inches, and does not violate the Geneva convention. (Dead serious abut that last part, tri edge blades and similar). So a small folding knife, or a knife built into a multi-tool. Exceptions are for anything that has a dedicated work function and only while performing the work function. You can carry while working, but not while walking to work. Need to have it in a storage container of some sort.
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Old 04-21-2018, 05:30 PM
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How the UK law is written, its very hard to come up with legal reason to justify simply carrying a knife at all times. The exception exists for reasons like work (a foam knife) or transportation. It see it more as a message to people who feel like that the 'good reason' exception is more like a loophole they can use. So I am leaning towards that as what he means. The carry for self protection idea is not well embraced in the UK as a whole.
My broader point, though, is if you take the London mayor's statement:

Quote:
"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."
And change it to this:

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"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a gun."
You get the general attitude of a lot of people in the U.S.
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Old 04-22-2018, 11:16 AM
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And lookie here...

http://www.wnd.com/2018/04/knife-con...sses-atlantic/

Now is it ridiculous?

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/03...fight-knife-l/

http://www.star-telegram.com/latest-...203607769.html

As I've tried to say: It's a culture problem.
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Old 04-22-2018, 02:36 PM
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I don't see what the issue is. What jungle are you cutting your way through in America?
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