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Old 08-20-2017, 12:15 AM
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Good topic for debate. My wife and I were talking about this, and we couldn't come up with a good answer.

Which is worse? Being politically uninformed, or being politically misinformed?

Especially for those who vote?
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Old 08-20-2017, 04:30 AM
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Misinformed by far. Uninformed is simply unsure of stances. Right now the world is seeing the results of political misinformation and it's not pretty.
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Old 08-20-2017, 10:12 AM
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Misinformed by far. Uninformed is simply unsure of stances. Right now the world is seeing the results of political misinformation and it's not pretty.
I'm not sure about that. You can be unsure of stances, and make a decision because you're misinformed as well.

I look at "uninformed" as essentially someone who votes a certain way because a celebrity "tells" them to, or because they think voting for a certain person would gain them acceptance among their peers, who are doing the same thing. Or who vote based on a sound byte.

Or it could be the ones who vote, but couldn't tell you who their representative and Senators are, but are up to date on the Kardashians.
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Old 08-20-2017, 09:27 PM
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I look at "uninformed" as essentially someone who votes a certain way because a celebrity "tells" them to, or because they think voting for a certain person would gain them acceptance among their peers, who are doing the same thing. Or who vote based on a sound byte.
These are more a case of misinformation stemming from being uniformed. It's still people voting based off of wrong information.

The truth is, uninformed votes are based off ignorance and people will correct their stance when they find out the information. Misinformed votes are based off a lie spun as true, so even when people get informed of the reality, they will reject it, disbelieve it and defend the lie if for no other reason than they can't accept they were wrong.
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Old 08-20-2017, 10:14 PM
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These are more a case of misinformation stemming from being uniformed. It's still people voting based off of wrong information.

The truth is, uninformed votes are based off ignorance and people will correct their stance when they find out the information. Misinformed votes are based off a lie spun as true, so even when people get informed of the reality, they will reject it, disbelieve it and defend the lie if for no other reason than they can't accept they were wrong.
I'm talking about voting while uninformed or misinformed. To your first point, uninformed would imply "no" information, which I suppose it could be argued that no information is wrong information.

But if someone tells a person that they should vote for a candidate because "it's cool" or "it's the right thing to do", without either person knowing anything about the candidate, I'd say that's bad...wouldn't you? I think we're on the same page, but we just disagree slightly.
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Old 08-21-2017, 09:22 PM
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actually, that counts as uninformed, not misinformed.

Uninformed: when you vote based on something other than a candidate's policies
Misinformed: when you vote based on what someone claims are a candidate's policies, when those claims are deliberately erroneous. (I say deliberately erroneous because a simple difference of opinion doesn't count)
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Old 08-24-2017, 10:18 AM
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actually, that counts as uninformed, not misinformed.
Oh, for sure. No disagreement there. I'm just saying that you're uninformed if Ted Nugent or Miley Cyrus tell you to vote for someone because "it's cool" or "it's the right thing to do"...and then you do so.

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Misinformed: when you vote based on what someone claims are a candidate's policies, when those claims are deliberately erroneous. (I say deliberately erroneous because a simple difference of opinion doesn't count)
I also agree with this.

But again, which is worse?
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Old 08-24-2017, 10:47 AM
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It's more complicated than that, but generally misinformed. Uninformed potential voters don't necessarily bother to vote. misinformed voters- where the misinformation is designed to inflame- can sometimes vote in greater numbers than normal voters.
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Old 08-24-2017, 11:16 AM
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It's more complicated than that, but generally misinformed. Uninformed potential voters don't necessarily bother to vote. misinformed voters- where the misinformation is designed to inflame- can sometimes vote in greater numbers than normal voters.
I get that. And it makes sense. But it's surprising to me how little the voting public seems to know about candidates, politics, and the U.S. government.
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Old 08-30-2017, 11:23 AM
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I get that. And it makes sense. But it's surprising to me how little the voting public seems to know about candidates, politics, and the U.S. government.
Why? I mean I understand private schools may teach reality instead of the theory and that people can major in political science and take classes that teach Political Reality vs. Political theory but most people get a public school education.

A public school education teaches Political Theory but none of my Social Studies or Civics classes every taught us about Lobbyists. Seeing as they aren't officially a part of government we simply weren't taught they exist.

That Senator or Representative would vote for their own interests instead of the views held by the people that voted for them wasn't discussed.

Quite simply every class told us how it should work not how it does work.

This leads to people believing things like every politician they voted for is 100% honest all of the time. Or always knows what they are talking about.

Then there are personal prejudices that look like misinformation.

I like that person and their creed, color, etc so I don't mind that they did this unethical and possibly illegal thing.

I hate that person for their creed, color etc. So I think they should at the very least be in jail for the unethical and possibly illegal thing.

These are political realities.

Another one we are taught is "We were founded on the principal of no taxation without representation"

However this is again a theory but not the reality.

For example convicts still have any income taxed but are not allowed to vote thus they have no representation.

If I live in Washington but work in Oregon as I have done in the past I have to pay Oregon State Income tax but am not allowed to vote in any Oregon election Again denying me any representation to go with my taxation. (Oh and anyone that's like well move to the state here's the thing most of the places that pay you enough to live in WA do not pay you enough to live in Oregon because all across the country cost of living/income ratio is messed up.)

My point is that if we want the general public to know and care about how politics works we need to stop telling them that everyone's a Samurai
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