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Old 08-11-2018, 01:21 AM
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From an outside point of view, the necrotizing enterocolitis and the fall. Make me think the rational is not, trying to kidnap the children because 'reasons'. But there is a really good chance that the parents are overwhelmed and simply have trouble caring for 2 infants and and 2 older children. Not abuse in the way we see it, violence. But simply unintentional neglect.

They go out of there way to show that the parents are overworked and having difficulties as a excuse for the fall. What if in reality it is as simple as that, overworked, tired, overwhelmed.
Um, are you seriously saying that parents who get "overwhelmed" should be looked at by CPS as a sign of "neglect?" If so then every parent is guilty then.

BTW, I saw this on what you can consider a "legit" news source: Another reason CPS is looked at in a bad light.

Don't people realize that sticking your nose where it doesn't belong can sometimes ruin lives?
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Old 08-12-2018, 02:32 PM
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When the parent being overwhelmed means the kid suffers for it, yes.
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:39 PM
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When the parent being overwhelmed means the kid suffers for it, yes.
Wow lots of CPS apologists in this thread! Legit abuse is one thing, but if the kid is not being abused how about CPS butt out and let parents raise their kids the way they need to raise them, not how some piece of crap social worker feels they should be.

BTW, here is an interesting thread on Quora: Can CPS be sic'ed on a parent for not making a child take Ritalin?

Teachers insist on parents making their children take medications because they want the kids zonked out to make their jobs easier. If a teacher told me that my child needed to be on Ritalin I would tell him/her to go pound sand, I'm not making my kid a zombie just because you want to make your job easier.
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Old 08-13-2018, 07:07 PM
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Um, are you seriously saying that parents who get "overwhelmed" should be looked at by CPS as a sign of "neglect?" If so then every parent is guilty then.
Yes if the situation results in repeated harm to the child.

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BTW, I saw this on what you can consider a "legit" news source: Another reason CPS is looked at in a bad light.
CPS respond to a report, they supposed to have psionic powers to read minds, to know if a report is genuine or not? Also its an editorial not a news report.

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Wow lots of CPS apologists in this thread! Legit abuse is one thing, but if the kid is not being abused how about CPS butt out and let parents raise their kids the way they need to raise them, not how some piece of crap social worker feels they should be.
Abuse, Endangerment and Neglect are all different things but are responded to the same way. I guess you never have seen any truly horrendous abuse that CPS uncovered. That the whole system needs to be scraped because a few cases come to light that when looked at from once side can be framed as a miscarriage of justice. Or that the only parents that can do wrong, are these caricatures of normal people an other of sorts. I can assure you, even the most noble of us can perform the darkest of deeds against the most innocent of us.

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BTW, here is an interesting thread on Quora: Can CPS be sic'ed on a parent for not making a child take Ritalin?
Yes, if a child has an official diagnosis and the parents refuse treatment. Just because it ADHD does not mean you get to ignore that fact. No different then if it was a bipolar diagnosis, or even cancer. It becomes extra problematic because the school can reassign the child to a special education curriculum or expel them if they are not treated, depending on the state and county. Would you be mad at CPS if they removed a sick child because their parents believed in spiritual healing only?
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:08 PM
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Yes, if a child has an official diagnosis and the parents refuse treatment. Just because it ADHD does not mean you get to ignore that fact.
Wow. So by your standard CPS should take a child because his/her parents don't want to make them a zombie to make their teacher's lives easier?

FWIW, I was one of those kids where a teacher was insisting on putting me on meds for ADD when I was 12 or 13. My mother caved and put me on some drug (Wasn't Ritalin, it was something else). I was lethargic, tired and wanted to go to sleep by 7PM each night, and easily confused. The last straw was hearing that a side effect could be liver failure. My mother took me off the meds and I was back to being my normal self. Guess what? No harm befell me and I did fine.
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Old 08-14-2018, 09:46 AM
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um, I think I should just point out that those can also be symptoms of "being a teenager."

Also, liver failure being a side effect just means it's physically possible. In the case of ADHD medication, it generally means the liver was already weak.

Also he was talking about an official diagnosis- not a teacher deciding that someone should be "made a zombie" to make the teacher's life easier but a diagnosis by an actual expert who knows what they are talking about.
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Old 08-14-2018, 03:38 PM
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Also he was talking about an official diagnosis- not a teacher deciding that someone should be "made a zombie" to make the teacher's life easier but a diagnosis by an actual expert who knows what they are talking about.

It generally works like this. Your mileage may very.

-Your child is disruptive in class, here is an improvement plan we would like you to reinforce at home.

-Your child is still disruptive in class, we need to address this

-Your child has exhausted all chances at improvement or crossed a line. We will move him to a special education classroom or remove him from the school. You can take him to a child behavior specialist, if we can get a treatment plan we will allow him to stay in his current classroom.

-You are not following the treatment plan.....

of course these are very truncated examples of discussions.



HEMI6point1 you were probably on guanfacine. Most ADHD meds are stimulants. The excessive tiredness is a side effect when you take guanfacine with high fat foods. Guanfacine is not known for causing liver damage. People who take guanfacine with liver issues can have complications.
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Old 08-14-2018, 11:55 PM
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I think it was Clonidine, now that I remember.

BTW, in keeping with the nature of this thread, here is a news story on CPS once again acting like cunts:

CPS takes child for wanting a 2nd opinion

Surgery is serious stuff, and there should be nothing wrong with the parents wanting a 2nd opinion. Thank goodness the parents videotaped the child's mafia-style removal so show how CPS really acts.

BTW, they did get their kid back (See here) but CPS has insisted they monitor the child's health. WTF? Stay out of the family's life, CPS!
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Old 08-15-2018, 07:14 PM
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Seriously Clonidine! Fuck that shit. Requires way to much back and forth blood work to make sure you have the correct dosage. Sounds like you had to much. Usually with that stuff its if you have any side effects come back and we will adjust the dosage. And somehow passing out at 7pm is a side effect was not communicated well.


As for the you tube video. The whole point where this goes south is here....

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Anna argued with doctors about getting a second opinion. Without a proper discharge, she finally took Sammy out of the hospital to get a second opinion at Kaiser Permanente.

"The police showed up there. They saw that the baby was fine," Anna said. "They told us that Sutter was telling them so much bad stuff that they thought that this baby is dying on our arms."
Basically she just walked out of the hospital with the child. Not a good idea. I can not tell what the conversation or the linchpin of the parents decision was. She is entitled to a second opinion but that can be done at the hospital. This was most likely a breakdown of communication on the hospitals end. All these things happening at once probably overloaded her. Having Kaiser Permanente as their insurance did not help matters (fuck those guys) because of their asinine rules.

Past that, once the wheels of bureaucracy start its a hard ride to get off. It's hard to tell if the police who first showed up at the doctors followed up with CPS in a timely matter. If the issue ever got resolved correctly on the hospitals end. Or if the child ever got discharged properly from the hospital.

There is this understanding that you do not get to do anything you want with your child. But where the line is for what you can and can not do is not easy to place. This might be hard to believe, but in most states if a child is admitted to the hospital. You can not legally remove the child without said child being discharged. The hospital and by extension the doctors cannot do anything without your consent (unless the child is coding, saving life in the moment trumps consent). But they cannot release the child unless its into different medical care or the child is considered stable.

Without more data, I am going to place the blame on the hospital over CPS. There had to be a breakdown of communication on the hospitals end about what her rights were. Then when she took the child, mandatory responses occurred.
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Old 08-16-2018, 03:35 AM
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Seriously Clonidine! Fuck that shit.
I was prescribed Clonidine as a young teenager because I mentioned I had insomnia.

It worked, alright...all night, and I was constantly tired the next day. Only took it once, that was enough.
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