Being felt up at the airport

[Bright Star]

UNLESS you're my doctor or my significant other then you will NOT touch my genital area in any way, shape, or form, all in the name of "security". That's crossing a line that never should have been crossed to begin with.
I understand clearly the reasons for security check points BUT to give consent to have some perfect stranger touch you in your most private areas of your body is just wrong in so many ways. Any other stranger touching someone like that would be considered sexual assault. BUT because it's TSA, then they call it "security".
& those full body scanners aren't that much better. They can see past your clothes to see certain things on your body that should only be seen by those that you are intimate with.
What next? Parade everybody in the nude & remain that way till you get to where you are going?
There has to be a better way than this. Treating everybody like a terrorist isn't what I call a good security posture.

[Greenday]

those full body scanners aren't that much better. They can see past your clothes to see certain things on your body that should only be seen by those that you are intimate with.

Your skeleton? It's not like they can see your body with skin.

What next? Parade everybody in the nude & remain that way till you get to where you are going?

Ridiculous argument that will NEVER happen.

There has to be a better way than this. Treating everybody like a terrorist isn't what I call a good security posture.

Everyone's a suspect.

[MaggieTheCat]

Your skeleton? It's not like they can see your body with skin.

Yeah, they can.

http://www.worldculturepictorial.com...splaying-form-

“It will show the private parts of people, but what we’ve decided is that we’re not going to blur those out, because it severely limits the detection capabilities,” said Office of Transport Security manager Cheryl Johnson. “It is possible to see genitals and breasts while they’re going through the machine,” she admitted.

These are not x-ray scanners.

Basically, at an airport that has full body scanners, your options are to go through said scanner and have TSA see your private areas, or to get a full body pat-down and have TSA manhandle your ass and between your legs. My brother opted for the latter the last time he flew (last week) and he said it was not the standard pat-down they've been doing to random people up until this point; it is much more aggressive.

And the whole promise from TSA that they delete the images from the full body scanners ... yeah, sorry, I don't trust that. We can't trust TSA agents with valuables (how many people have had stuff stolen out of their checked luggage?), now they expect us to trust them with next-to-naked pictures of ourselves.

I will not fly through an airport that has a full body scanner as long as these are the rules.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Plus the real terrorists will find a way to get round it, cuz they always do. There was an argument about letting children go thru the scanners cuz it violates the child porn laws... so I can see a terrorist sending a child or teenager on to a plane with a bomb instead. Cuz these people don't give a toss about exploiting children, they will do something like that if it gets them around security measures.

[Greenday]

You're right Lace, they will find a way to get around it. Guess we shouldn't even bother trying at all.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Please point out where I said that. My point was that there is no reason to make everyone else suffer, when in the long run, body scanners aren't going to work 100%. The PC Brigade refuses to allow profiling, for example.

Also, contrary to what the media may tell you, planes being blown up isn't a regular occurrance. Finally, there was a terrorist incident on the tube, and we don't have body scanners there, and guess what? There hasn't been another.

[Greenday]

Plus the real terrorists will find a way to get round it, cuz they always do.

I'm just adding to that.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Sorry; doesn't cut it. You're just seeing what you want to see; I think I should know what I meant, seeing as I typed it and you didn't.

Let me give a simple example. People who make computer viruses and trojans will get around antiviruses eventually. Does this mean that the internet be restricted solely to controlled areas? Not at all; it just means that antivirus companies constantly update.

[Greenday]

So many people use the argument that terrorists will get around security anyhow that we might as well lighten it up, I just wanted to kill that future argument now.

[AdminAssistant]

The PC Brigade refuses to allow profiling, for example.

Because the terrorists get around that as well. Oh, yeah, and all terrorists aren't Arabic or Muslim. So, terrorism isn't a worthy excuse to harass all people of a certain race or religion.

[Crazedclerkthe2nd]

A lot of the "security measures" they use at airports today are anything but. All you really need are sniffing dogs, a wand, a pat down if necessary and a team of people watching video of the passengers looking for any suspicious behavior. Sounds stupid but that's how other countries do it and it's just as effective (if not more) and just as efficient (if not more) than what we have in the U.S.

[Bronzebow]

A lot of the "security measures" they use at airports today are anything but. All you really need are sniffing dogs, a wand, a pat down if necessary and a team of people watching video of the passengers looking for any suspicious behavior. Sounds stupid but that's how other countries do it and it's just as effective (if not more) and just as efficient (if not more) than what we have in the U.S.

This is true. TSA is nothing more than ineffective and expensive security theater. Their 'enhancements' have still failed check after check after check, yet people are so ready and so willing to sign away everything out of stark fear that they are unwilling to see it.

The common excuse is 9/11 and terrorism, of course--the commis and nazis of our generation. "But, 9/11 changed everything!" No, it didn't. The world is still turning. All 9/11 did was remove our false sense of invulnerability. People who were not used to this sensation became more susceptible to fear based manipulation. Anyone who uses that date as an excuse for anything is either trying to manipulate you, or is being used as a tool to do the same.

Considering that a lot of higher ups used to lobby for the company who makes the body scanners, I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out it's just more corruption.

Edit: Not to even mention that any potential danger to health hasn't even been worked out...

[lordlundar]

A lot of the "security measures" they use at airports today are anything but. All you really need are sniffing dogs, a wand, a pat down if necessary and a team of people watching video of the passengers looking for any suspicious behavior. Sounds stupid but that's how other countries do it and it's just as effective (if not more) and just as efficient (if not more) than what we have in the U.S.

DINDINGDING!!! We have a winner!

Every time there's a new threat, they lock down the airports for a few months and come up with a new gimmicky rule to supposedly stop it, but all it does is gives a false sense of security. In reality, if they train security crews properly and have more than skeleton crews, it would be a lot more effective and cost a lot less than implementing the latest gimmick of the season.

[blas87]

Exactly!

Besides, buckling down and doing things like this to people only lets the terrorists win.

This is what the terrorists want. This is making Bin Laden's panties wet. The fact that everyone is paranoid, no one trusts one another here, everyone is a potential terrorist or criminal. So we get so wound up that we let the real ones slip past.

[Greenday]

Okay, fine, the terrorists win.

I'm still not for lightening up on security and making it easier for them though.