Cult Militia trying to start a war...

[lordlundar]

I would say it's actually preparation for future self defense, which is actually 100% legal

Well, if you want to be pedantic about it, it's a pre-emptive strike, which is only legal in a warzone. So unless you formally declare war on them and the declaration is recognized internationally, it's still considered vigilantism.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Well, if you want to be pedantic about it, it's a pre-emptive strike, which is only legal in a warzone. So unless you formally declare war on them and the declaration is recognized internationally, it's still considered vigilantism.

It's only a pre-emptive strike if I were to go after them. I'm saying that we'd weapon up and wait for them to do something stupid, then go after them. Preferably by showing up to whatever shit they try to pull and catching them from behind

[Fryk]

Hell, Sir Integra, I'd sign up for it, but I can't shoot straight worth a damn. Does your hypothetical group need radio operators?

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Hell, Sir Integra, I'd sign up for it, but I can't shoot straight worth a damn. Does your hypothetical group need radio operators?

We'll make you are information and logistics operative. It comes with dental and a neat hat .

Seriously though, yeah. Any group of people even attempting tactical organization would benefit from someone elsewhere giving them the larger picture/ helping to co-ordinate them with friendlies...

[Hobbs]

Well, if you want to be pedantic about it, it's a pre-emptive strike, which is only legal in a warzone. So unless you formally declare war on them and the declaration is recognized internationally, it's still considered vigilantism.

Pre-emptive strikes are legal regardless as to where it is. LOAC only says that the legality of an attack has to do with the elements of military necessity. Concerns such as distinction: Civilian population vs. combatants, Civilian objects vs. military objectives; and proportionality. Rules for an attack are that forces: 1. Must attack a specific military objective
a. Attacks must be limited strictly to military objectives
2. Prohibited to use methods or means which cannot be directed at a specific military objective
a. Presumption of civilian status for dual use objects

There's a lot more, but I'd suggest a separate thread to discuss LOAC

[lordlundar]

It's only a pre-emptive strike if I were to go after them. I'm saying that we'd weapon up and wait for them to do something stupid, then go after them. Preferably by showing up to whatever shit they try to pull and catching them from behind

Ah, well if you made yourself known, you'd get busted by the feds. Though I think the CIA might offer training.

It's a simple matter if the government thinks you're a threat, they'll shut you down. And because they don't know you're loyalty, they'll regard you as a threat. After all, they don't know you from a lunatic fundie who thinks Glenn Beck is telling him to assassinate the president.

Pre-emptive strikes are legal regardless as to where it is. LOAC only says that the legality of an attack has to do with the elements of military necessity. Concerns such as distinction: Civilian population vs. combatants, Civilian objects vs. military objectives; and proportionality. Rules for an attack are that forces: 1. Must attack a specific military objective
a. Attacks must be limited strictly to military objectives
2. Prohibited to use methods or means which cannot be directed at a specific military objective
a. Presumption of civilian status for dual use objects

There's a lot more, but I'd suggest a separate thread to discuss LOAC

I note a considerable point of "must be a military target" there. If I recall correctly, the US laws regard militias as civilians when not in a time and place of war. So it really does depend on what you regard a pre-emptive strike to be. Otherwise you could shoot someone for looking at you wrong because you thought they we're going to kill you first.

[Hobbs]

Actually, most of the "militias" [cough]bullshit[/cough] are considered domestic terrorists. So Geneva doesn't even apply to them.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Believe it or not, the CIA and FBI do need something to bust you with, regardless of whether or not they regard you as a threat. Nothing I'm proposing is against the law. The reason why this militia was shut down is because they actively planned and prepared for illegal activities. The purpose of my 'militia' would be to prepare for and respond to if necessary the illegal activities of others, basically large-scale self-defense and all completely legal.

[Fryk]

I'd be happy to be your Logistics Officer! Can I design my own logo for my hat?

[Wingates_Hellsing]

I'd be happy to be your Logistics Officer! Can I design my own logo for my hat?

As long as it in some way incorporates the militia logo (right now it's a dead heat between fuzzy dice and a cute puppy, both just for the sake of being contrary) all things related to the support division is up to you!

I'll make sure a selection of feathers are available for your hat as well

[wolfie]

As long as it in some way incorporates the militia logo (right now it's a dead heat between fuzzy dice and a cute puppy, both just for the sake of being contrary) all things related to the support division is up to you!

Cute puppy would probably be a better choice. Intelligence? Cute bloodhound puppy sniffing around. Logistics? Cute puppy dragging a bag of stuff. Engineering? Cute puppy digging a hole. Combat arms? Pit bull puppy with its teeth bared.

[Fryk]

Cute puppy with a pair of fuzzy dice dangling from its collar!

I'll be setting up some cardboard cutouts later this week, to pretend like I have a staff.

[IDrinkaRum]

Cute puppy with a pair of fuzzy dice dangling from its collar!

I'll be setting up some cardboard cutouts later this week, to pretend like I have a staff.

Yes, but what type of fuzzy dice?

Just the regular 6-sided fuzzy dice or the more awesome D-20 fuzzy gaming dice which you can roll for initiative if anyone threatens you?

[Fryk]

Even better: D-20 fuzzy dice stuffed with quarters. Perfect for swinging and bashing.

[Parrothead]

I've seen, quoted, a passage that claims to be a quote from Jesus 'If you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one'. But I haven't had a bible in decades, so I have no way to check, and I don't recall on what site I've seen it.

It's Luke 22:36, when Christ was trying to protect his followers after the Last Supper.