Miss California?

[AFPheonix]

Considering homosexuality holds at a certain percentage of the population and has since stats have been collected on it, and that it has been proven that it results from genetics and from uterine environment, and is not harmful to the person, I think it can be safely considered normal.

Now, people who wear diapers and crap in them to get off, THAT'S freaking abnormal.

[kiwi]

And going back to the topic of Miss Cali... can we all agree now that the question was completely out of place for a beauty pageant?

I just don't think she got a question that was any harder or more controversial than Miss Arizonas question.

She was asked about socialised medicine an equally "hot topic" if she had handled the question wrong. Her answer by the way was terrible as well because she didnt actually answer the question. There was also another question about Afganistan and I think immigrants. They werent exactly "easy" questions.

Aside from the fact she actually answered the question poorly (imo), even if you disregard her actual answers subject matter, she invents terms like 'opposite marriage' wtf? Her syntax was poor, she could barely muster a full sentance. It was a repeat of the disaster also known as Miss Teen South Carolina... "such as" and the maps for children. I can't speak for americans but I would hope they would want a Miss USA who can form a sentance on the spare of the moment.

Her behaviour since the competition has only confirmed that she is a nasty person allround.

[Tanasi]

I just don't think she got a question that was any harder or more controversial than Miss Arizonas question.

She was asked about socialised medicine an equally "hot topic" if she had handled the question wrong. Her answer by the way was terrible as well because she didnt actually answer the question. There was also another question about Afganistan and I think immigrants. They werent exactly "easy" questions.

Aside from the fact she actually answered the question poorly (imo), even if you disregard her actual answers subject matter, she invents terms like 'opposite marriage' wtf? Her syntax was poor, she could barely muster a full sentance. It was a repeat of the disaster also known as Miss Teen South Carolina... "such as" and the maps for children. I can't speak for americans but I would hope they would want a Miss USA who can form a sentance on the spare of the moment.

Her behaviour since the competition has only confirmed that she is a nasty person allround.

Not everyone lays down when attacked, some fight back. Regardless of how she answered the question or it's controversy, she was asked her opinion and she's being/been punished for having a different opinion that Perez Hilton and others. You can try to spin it anyway you want but that's the truth. The new Miss California has the same opinion is she being drug thru the press as Prejean??? No, because the Lewis fellow knows he's shit and fell back in it, and he has too big an ego to let go of Prejean. In other words he's acting like a little bitch. It seems in the entertainment world if you're not a flaming liberal that's willing to feliate Obama at the drop of a hat then you have trouble finding work. Is that fair??? If so then look out because things are going to get a lot worse.

[smileyeagle1021]

It seems in the entertainment world if you're not a flaming liberal that's willing to feliate Obama at the drop of a hat then you have trouble finding work.

As a slight off topic... if they were a true flamer they wouldn't really like Obama due to his refusal to halt DADT discharges until congress can rework the laws (actually, if you are a non bigoted conservative that bothers you too, because that policy is one of the biggest wastes of tax dollars imaginable) and his lack of movement on social issues.

Better phrasing for that sentence... if you aren't a democrat suck up who will kiss the ass of any democrat in power, then you have trouble finding work.*

*said by a democrat

[Flyndaran]

Obama has refused to prosecute americans that tortured people.
He promotes an impossibel health care system while showing his ignorance about collective risks the very basis of insurance itself.

I'm a super liberal and consider him a disgrace.

[powerboy]

I still do not like how anyone cannot have a different opinion about anything. So what if that is her opinion? Bitching about it, is not going to change a damn thing. Perez Hilton really needs to understand that.

[Tanasi]

As a slight off topic... if they were a true flamer they wouldn't really like Obama due to his refusal to halt DADT discharges until congress can rework the laws (actually, if you are a non bigoted conservative that bothers you too, because that policy is one of the biggest wastes of tax dollars imaginable) and his lack of movement on social issues.

Better phrasing for that sentence... if you aren't a democrat suck up who will kiss the ass of any democrat in power, then you have trouble finding work.*

*said by a democrat

I didn't mean flaming in a homosexual context but in a liberal democrat context. I retired from the US Army after 26 years of service in active, reserves and national guard, if I ever served with a homosexual I didn't know it. Not all guys or gals feel the need to talk about their conquests. I didn't care for continuous vulgar talk so I put a stop to it. All that being said I stand by what I typed in the context in which I meant it.

Obama has refused to prosecute americans that tortured people.
He promotes an impossibel health care system while showing his ignorance about collective risks the very basis of insurance itself.

I'm a super liberal and consider him a disgrace.

He can't prosecute some without prosecuting all and that would suck in some of his supporters namely Nancy Pelosi regardless of what she says about the CIA. They have her dead to rights and she knows it, that's why it's being dropped.
Obama care or Hitlerly care is and was a no-go before it was mentioned. They're seeing that the money can't be borrowed for it and he doesn't want to raise taxes on the 95%. As it is they're trimming and trimming dropping more and more folks.
Since you consider yourself super liberal (do you wear a cape, mask and your underwear on the outside of your clothes) are you going to vote for him again in 2012???

[Tanasi]

I still do not like how anyone cannot have a different opinion about anything. So what if that is her opinion? Bitching about it, is not going to change a damn thing. Perez Hilton really needs to understand that.

I agree, her opinion is after all her opinion. Until one puts said opinion into actual action it's all just vaporwear. Perez Hilton needs to be stepped on, he's at best a boil on the hind-end of humanity. Unfortunately as long as "Political Correctness" rules jerks like him won't face what they so justly deserve, annoniminy.

[Flyndaran]

...
...are you going to vote for him again in 2012???

I always vote for the lesser of two dumbasses. I may not be a democrat, but I am even less of a republican.

[BroomJockey]

I still do not like how anyone cannot have a different opinion about anything. So what if that is her opinion? Bitching about it, is not going to change a damn thing. Perez Hilton really needs to understand that.

So in advocating anyone can have any opinion, you're going on to say that Perez can't have his opinion.


Right. Just wanted to see if I had that correct. Personally, it is my opinion that anyone can have their opinion, but I can have the opinion that they're stupid for having that opinion. I generally have the opinion that Perez Hilton needs to fade in to obscurity, but I also have the opinion that if people like Miss California want marriage to be just "one man/one woman," then it needs to stop having any sort of government benefits.

The government cannot discriminate based on certain factors, which (in Canada, anyways, I'm not sure if it's official in the US) includes sexual orientation. Thus, to decline gay couples marriage benefits because they're gay couples is, well, not something the government can do. For someone with "America" in their title, someone who would carry the force of public scrutiny of their opinions, and have those opinions seen as "representative," it's dangerous to go for something possibly unconstitutional.

[Peppergirl]

if people like Miss California want marriage to be just "one man/one woman," then it needs to stop having any sort of government benefits.

I think you mean "opposite marriage"

<ducks and runs away>

[powerboy]

So in advocating anyone can have any opinion, you're going on to say that Perez can't have his opinion.


Right. Just wanted to see if I had that correct.

Actually you are wrong. I am not saying that. He has a different opinion than her. Yet, she is wrong because of how she believes. So what if someone has a different opinion than someone else? IS the world going to end? Is the sky falling? Nope.

[Rubystars]

BroomJockey, The government doesn't have the obligation to legitimize perversion or deviancy. That's like saying the government can't deny a mariage certificate between a man in his 60s and a 6 year old girl because it would be discrimination.

Marriage is between one adult man and one adult woman by definition. So how can you deny "marriage" benefits to two people who can't have a marriage anyway? The government is not denying them the right to marry (they can find someone of the opposite gender to marry if they want to just like anyone else). If homosexual "marriage" is illegal, that's because the people of the state are just refusing to legitimize a sickness as normal and healthy.

[smileyeagle1021]

BroomJockey, The government doesn't have the obligation to legitimize perversion or deviancy. That's like saying the government can't deny a mariage certificate between a man in his 60s and a 6 year old girl because it would be discrimination.
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two things, first, that's a false comparison because a same sex marriage would require both participants to be of legal age, just the same as 'traditional' marriage.
Second, this is at least the second time you've compared homosexuality to pedophilia. In my lifetime I have personally only know ONE gay pedophile, I also have known three straight pedophiles... pedophilia is not limited based on orientation. With the exception of that one person (who is now serving a lengthy prison sentence and rightfully so) every gay guy I know likes his man to be a man (ok, so some like them to be a bit feminine, but the point is that we like em fully grown).
If you want to say we are perverted because we go against the biological norm, feel free, I won't argue the point because, hell, we do go against the 'norm' and if that's how someone wants to define what perversion is so be it. But can we put the comparisons to pedophilia to rest, it brings nothing to the argument and really only serves a purpose (as far as I can tell) to belittle the homosexuals who are good upstanding people who hate those who pray on children just as much as you do.

[Nyoibo]

Marriage is between one adult man and one adult woman by definition.

Ok, I'm gonna re-iterate this, the RELIGEOUS definition of marriage is between man and woman, and as there is a (in theory) separation of church and state in the US said RELIGEOUS definition has no place in legislation.

And please don't refer to it as a sickness, the WHO removed it from the ICD-10 19 years ago.

None of this was an issue until they started giving certain legal benifits to married couples, hell, until the 1750's or so state marriage didn't exist.