Miss California?

[smileyeagle1021]

You sound like a great guy.



I think homosexuality is a deviant behavior and immoral. I would tell you that if you were here in person too.

this is where I have confusion. How can I be both a great guy and a deviant at the same time?

And as for sinful behavior bringing judgment upon society... would you care to explain how it is that the European countries that are much less 'moral' by American standards routinely get better quality of life scores than the United States, or why Canada which 'condones' sinful behavior hasn't been as hard hit by the global recession as the United States? I know Utahns like to use the argument that look at how little Utah has been effected, it must be because of our upstanding morals... well no, Utah is the best off now numbers wise because we started out best off, we went from 2% unemployment to 6%.... a 300% increase of unemployment... has anywhere else beside detroit seen those percentage increase? And even then, the only reason unemployment is that low has nothing to do with morals, it has to do with the state's lose labor laws that allow lower pay, mandate less benefits, and have practically destroyed the usefulness of unions (which I guess you could argue whether or not unions are really useful, but that's another thread). If 'sinful' California and Nevada were to also drop their minimum wage, drop all other employment benefit requirements, encourage businesses to offer the same less than national average pay as Utahns receive, and destroy the efficiency of unions they too would have lower unemployment, but then again, their jobs would suck just as much as ours did... that's always been and always will be the trade off.

[JuniorMintz]

this is where I have confusion. How can I be both a great guy and a deviant at the same time?

Deviants are great, don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise!

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Just look at Deviant Art

And yeah, still on the decade-to-decade scope, violent crime is still DOWN!

It makes me happy

In fact, going into that issue a bit further, violent crime seems to be almost directly related to the poverty level... entirely separate from morality...

[Nyoibo]

Years ago, they were able to control this effeminate and/or butch behavior in public and act relatively 'normal'. This leads me to believe this isn't something they're doing because it's who they are, but something they're doing specifically because they can now without serious repercussions in most cases.

No, it's something they're doing to be who they are because they are now able to act like themselves in public without risking being lynched.

I think there's a difference because gays were and probably still are spreading disease through sexual immorality, and deliberate choices to engage in risky sex,

And the fact that the nuber of cases of STI's in heterosexual teens is rising means homosexuals are the ones engaging in risky sex and immorality?

Sorry to rain on your little parade, but crime is DOWN.

That's right, DOWN. It's people perception of every single act of violence that happens anywhere which has grown, distorted by the fact that it's obsessed over by the media. Nevertheless, violent crime, mass shooting, etc. are all DOWN.

Just thought I'd get some facts out there.

Like crime going down 40% but media coverage increasing by 600%?

Sorry, was just watching Bowling for Columbine.

[Cat]

No, it's something they're doing to be who they are because they are now able to act like themselves in public without risking being lynched.

Exactly!!! Noone should have to to "control" they way they are out of fear of being attacked or because someone feels its "yucky."

Oh yeah...it's pretty safe to walk around in CT.

According to "traditional" religious beliefs and 1950s-mentality...I am a deviant too. Guess I am not "normal" and "yucky" as well. Meh.

[Rubystars]

this is where I have confusion. How can I be both a great guy and a deviant at the same time?

Just because one behavior you are involved in is deviant doesn't mean all the other behaviors you engage in are deviant. Surely you're not a one dimensional person.

And as for sinful behavior bringing judgment upon society... would you care to explain how it is that the European countries that are much less 'moral' by American standards routinely get better quality of life scores than the United States, or why Canada which 'condones' sinful behavior hasn't been as hard hit by the global recession as the United States? I know Utahns like to use the argument that look at how little Utah has been effected, it must be because of our upstanding morals... well no, Utah is the best off now numbers wise because we started out best off, we went from 2% unemployment to 6%.... a 300% increase of unemployment... has anywhere else beside detroit seen those percentage increase? And even then, the only reason unemployment is that low has nothing to do with morals, it has to do with the state's lose labor laws that allow lower pay, mandate less benefits, and have practically destroyed the usefulness of unions (which I guess you could argue whether or not unions are really useful, but that's another thread). If 'sinful' California and Nevada were to also drop their minimum wage, drop all other employment benefit requirements, encourage businesses to offer the same less than national average pay as Utahns receive, and destroy the efficiency of unions they too would have lower unemployment, but then again, their jobs would suck just as much as ours did... that's always been and always will be the trade off.

Europe is slowly committing suicide. In 50 years or so if things don't change it won't even be a majority of the indigenous people there. It's sad.

I'm not sure why Canada wasn't affected as badly as the US in the recession.

[Boozy]

I'm not sure why Canada wasn't affected as badly as the US in the recession.

We weren't running a deficit at the time shit hit the fan, and our debt/capita was far lower. These things make it a lot easier to weather the storm.

I can't see how gay marriage has anything to do with the recession.

Europe is slowly committing suicide. In 50 years or so if things don't change it won't even be a majority of the indigenous people there. It's sad.

May I ask why you think this is sad?

[Rubystars]

We weren't running a deficit at the time shit hit the fan, and our debt/capita was far lower. These things make it a lot easier to weather the storm.

I can't see how gay marriage has anything to do with the recession.

I don't think it has any relation to that either.

May I ask why you think this is sad?

Europe won't be Europe anymore. If I go to France, I want to see mostly French people, not Arabs and Pakistanis. I was really happy that the BNP in Britain was doing so well recently. They're at least trying to protect the rights of the native people there. I have family records in Budesheim, Germany. I'd like to go there one day and check it out. I want to see a German town, with German people in it. Most of the other European nations are having problems too where the native population is slowly being pushed out. The native Europeans have a right to be a majority in their own lands and I think they need to defend it.

[linguist]

Europe is slowly committing suicide. In 50 years or so if things don't change it won't even be a majority of the indigenous people there. It's sad.

you mean like there isn't a majority of indigenous peoples here?

besides, there hasn't been a majority of indigenous europeans in thousands of years. the last vestiges of the true indigenous europeans (the euskarans) can only be found in a small area bordering france and spain. everyone else came later, beginning with the indo-european migration out of the indian subcontinent and the middle east beginning in approximately 4000 bc.

[Rubystars]

I consider white people to be native to Europe. That's where the race developed.

[protege]

Ruby, you're coming dangerously close to sounding like a certain little Austrian with a funny mustache and a huge gas bill. By your comment, you'd also be in favor of the US returning to its native roots?

[linguist]

I consider white people to be native to Europe. That's where the race developed.

nevermind that they came from the middle east and indian subcontinent and pushed out the truly indigenous people, the proto-vasconic people (of whom the euskarans are the last surviving group).

since you seem fond of defining things, let me define indigenous for you: the people who originally settled the area. modern europeans may be native, but certainly not indigenous.

and once again, you sidestepped a question. what about indigenous americans? you don't seem so sad about them being overwhelmed by immigrants.

[BroomJockey]

Europe won't be Europe anymore. If I go to France, I want to see mostly French people, not Arabs and Pakistanis.

Wooooooow, first the unmitigated arrogance of "Because it's the right opinion," now national purity. And you still never answered me which decade it was so safe to walk around in. You can't just keep ignoring inconvenient posts. You keep spreading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt), and any time someone actually manages to call you on it, you keep trying to avoid it.

[Rubystars]

Give me the post numbers of the ones I supposedly "ignored" and I'll respond to them.

It was a lot safer to walk around in during the 50s than it is now. Before then too for the most part.

[protege]

Along those lines...what about this? What about people with mixed ancestry? I mean, that even though I was born in the US...and part of the family has been here well over 200 years...what about the other side of the family? I mean, I have Norwegian (some of them were supposedly here 500 years before Columbus--how about that?), Irish, German, Welsh, and several other "parts" to me. Should those sections be removed and sent "home?"

Pardon my French, but fuck that. I'm an American, dammit.

Edit: I really doubt it was any safer to walk around then. I do know that many crimes were either unreported...or hidden in the back pages of newspapers. It wasn't only until recently that the media started using sensationalism to increase viewers. Don't believe me? Come to Pittsburgh and watch the news during the winter--just about every 15-20 minutes, you'll get to hear about how much snow we're going to get.