Confederate Flag Outside Courthouse Proof of Racist Rulings?

[mikoyan29]

I totally want to see that.

Unfortunately, I'll have to find one but I would like one although he's not my favorite general from the war. He is probably the most prophetic or forward thinking of the war. And for all the maligning he gets, I think he came from it at a level of if you're going to go to war, you should fight it with everything you've got to bring a quick end to said war. He was also taking the concepts of total war to heart by waging war against the industrial capacity of the south.

As for the swastika....Nazi Germany is complicated and not quite as black and white as people want to paint it. But I wouldn't be caught dead with a swastika.

and while we are talking about symbols of hate....why does the hammer and sickle get a free pass?

[HYHYBT]

Perhaps one reason you don't get a response from "the south fired first", at least in some cases such as here, nobody is claiming that "War of Northern Aggression" is an accurate description in the first place.

It *is* possible, of course, to be the aggressor and still arrange for the other party to strike first, but I'm not going to argue that that happened in this case.

[Tanasi]

South Carolina had already suceeded before Lincoln became president. The then president Buchanan had already agreed to remove all federal troops from the state especially Ft. Sumpter as it controlled the harbor entrance. Lincoln renegged upon the agreement and sent a ship to resupply and reenforce the fort. PTG Beaugard acted without authority and fired upon the fort forcing it's surrender. Also before this several very small skirmishishs had already been fought in VA.

[lupo pazzesco]

Does that mean wearing the Swastika is cool? It's not a hate thing, it's a heritage thing if you have ancestors from Germany, right

Only if your "ancestors" specifically date back to Nazi Germany and Hitler.

I'm sorry, this is one of my pet peeves. "The swastika is evil and belongs to nazis you're a racist!!!11!!"

Try a symbol that has archaeological significance dating back, conservatively to the Neolithic era, and has actually been seen as a symbol of Hinduism, and it's very meaning roughly translates to "to be good", or "good fortune" from Sanskrit. Just to name a few tidbits of its history.

brief explanation here

Yes, it's wiki, but scroll down to section 4, "Archaeological Record" Go from there.

and lookie here. More info about the history of the swastika.

The swastika has a rich history, and yet all it's remembered for his some megalomaniac using it has his symbol within the last century to commit mass murder and other heinous acts.

Lovely. Don't even get me started on the pentacle/pentagram, either.



Now, back on topic (as much as I can be)

I find the article and following "news coverage" (hahahahahaaaa!!) to be reaching for sensationalism (that's a shocker...). HOWEVER, Kinkoid hit the nail on the head. There perhaps IS something fishy about the jury, but not for the reasons the defendant is claiming. A closer look might be required, but to scream racism when it is part of a war memorial (the question of whether it BELONGS there is a different matter entirely), is just a cry for a mistrial. If the jury issue, and potential racism were such a problem, why wait until AFTER being convicted of murder and sentenced to death to bring it up? (at least that's what I surmised. Freely admit I only skimmed the article)


Yep, I've got nothing else to add, I don't think...moving on!

[Greenday]

Mainly because once you are at that point, it's time to grasp for straws.

[blas87]

Oh for Christ Sake.

A cousin of mine who is in the US Army has a Confederate Flag inside the bar of his house.

He grew up in and has always lived in Wisconsin (save for when he was in Iraq and Afghanistan).

Really? Really?

Yeah, looks like another family member who gets moved to "that side of the family of which we don't speak"

[Sleepwalker]

As for the swastika....Nazi Germany is complicated and not quite as black and white as people want to paint it.

And so it begins. I wonder how long it will take for the swastika and world war two to be treated in a similar manner to how we treat the civil war nowadays?

[jackfaire]

I couldn't find the link to it but the other day I saw a picture of Oliver Hardy and Charlie Chaplin beating up Hitler and yelling at him to give them back their mustache.

[jackfaire]

http://breakingtheice.johnkeating.bi...-our-mustache/

Here is the link I was talking about.

[Tanasi]

Oh for Christ Sake.

A cousin of mine who is in the US Army has a Confederate Flag inside the bar of his house.

He grew up in and has always lived in Wisconsin (save for when he was in Iraq and Afghanistan).

Really? Really?

Yeah, looks like another family member who gets moved to "that side of the family of which we don't speak"

I believe you should take the context in which the flag is being used and displayed. If it's being used a decoration or a converstation starter then I'd said no big deal (even though I'd find it odd to see said banner in a yankees home.) If he's using it for racist means then I'd say follow through with his banishment. The flag in and of it self isn't evil, the intent and method of it's use can be.

[mikoyan29]

And so it begins. I wonder how long it will take for the swastika and world war two to be treated in a similar manner to how we treat the civil war nowadays?

I'm not about to fly a Nazi flag anytime soon. Nor do I want to see it's symbolism diminished.

[Sarah Valentine]

Perhaps one reason you don't get a response from "the south fired first", at least in some cases such as here, nobody is claiming that "War of Northern Aggression" is an accurate description in the first place.

Why is the civil war sometimes called the war of northern aggression, I never understood why it was called that.

[Rapscallion]

Well, history isn't always written by the victor, but also by the survivors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_...ern_Aggression

Basically, it's because some people believe it was the fault of the north, whereas some think it was the fault of the south.

There are plenty of arguments on both sides over something long finished. Fortunately these are generally arguments between historians.

Rapscallion

[jackfaire]

Why is the civil war sometimes called the war of northern aggression, I never understood why it was called that.

Because Southern livelihood was built on the backs of slaves for large plantation owners. The North was more populous so had more people in congress. Congress made the African Slave Trade illegal and then made it so only the states with it currently could have slavery not allowing it to spread beyond that. Then Lincoln ran on a platform of moving us towards a slave free economy.

To the South who greatly relied on Slave labor that was an aggressive attack on their very way of life whereas abolishing slavery was never that big a deal for the North.

[HYHYBT]

Put simply, if you assume that secession is possible, then the South became its own country and the North then invaded it. Invading another country is usually considered an aggressive act.