racism in reverse

[suchislife]

Yes, I'm talking about reverse racism. Where a black, Lebanese, Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Muslim, Jewish or Aboriginal (basically anyone that isn't white Anglo-Saxon) can make a resist remark towards a white person like "your just white trash".."white pig" and so on and so forth, but do it in reverse and your a resist! OR and this doesn't always happen, but a white person decides to go after their person that stole their car, broke into their home, raped them, beat them, killed their dad/mum/sister/girlfriend/ boyfriend, and that person happens to be another race...their instantly dubbed racist because they are going after that person, or the person pulls the race card, do it in reverce, the white person must have done it because they are racist! This just gets me.

I spose I'll just tack this on here, I know it's not a rase thing, but it's almost the same as when a man rapes/goes out with an underage girl everyone is screaming for his blood and wants him put away for life. However, put it in reverse, and it's a woman doing the same thing, OMG slap on the wrist and a "naughty girl don't do it again!" what are your thoughts?

By the way, I don't claim for any of this to be fact, its mostly people in the minority that do these things, I have met MANY people of multiple races who have all been WONDERFULLY kind people who you just love instantly. But it does get on my nerves when I hear something on the news in regards to these things because I think every one should be punished for the crime they committed no matter what sex/race you are "you do the crime, you pay the time!". Don't make a bad name for the rest of those people all doing the right thing and doing their best to get along with anyone and everyone!

[Lace Neil Singer]

Well, I've had a black girl barge into me and call me a "white bitch" before; no-one blinked an eyelid. I'm betting that if I had bumped her and called her a "black bitch" everyone would have squawked in horror.

[Isios]

Where I live you can see this all the time. It's annoying, because if I say anything to anyone then I am racist. All I can say is racism breeds racism. You want me to respect you as a human being then you damn well better act like one. I don't demand respect persay but I do like to be treated in kind.

This brings me back to a while ago while I was about 7 months pregnant and standing in line at the automotive department at Wally world. The girl at the desk had somehow erased all the car entries for the day. So me and the others in line had been there for a bit but were patiently waiting in line. Firstly this woman hit me with her cart trying to get through. Secondly she walked right up to the desk like she didn't see all 6 of us standing in line. Thirdly, I was pregnant and now pissed off. Can I also just say it is true when they say a pregnant woman can be a completely different person than she is normally.

I like to avoid confertation. Well this time I spoke up and said, "Ma'am we have all been waiting." Pointing to the line behind me. She goes off on the racial crusade on how I am just trying to get her to the back of the line because she is black. I just rolled my eyes and left for Lowe's to go get my key made.

On the note of the older man and younger girl thing. Here in Georgia we just had this big case where a female teacher ended up ion jail becuase she got pregnant and married a 14 or 15 year old boy. So I have seen that door swing both ways.

[protege]

Somewhat along those lines... why is it OK for black people to call themselves the N-word...but if a white person does it, it's racist? I don't use that word, but I can't figure that one out.

[Rapscallion]

Well, it's spelled 'Nigga', which is fine, what with it demonstrating illiteracy, which is so desirable, y'know?

Actually, does that mean that only whites can refer to each other as 'honky'?

Rapscallion

[MadMike]

On a similar note, when did "Equal treatment" become "preferential treatment." For example, can you imagine the outcry if someone tried to start a "White Entertainment Network" or a "United Caucasian College Fund?" Yes, it would be wrong to have the money only available to white people, but isn't it just as wrong to have it only available to black people? There are plenty of people out there who need help with college, and the color of one's skin should not be part of the criteria.

The "quotas" that some jobs have are another thing that pisses me off. Again, the color of one's skin should not have anything to do with the hiring. My current job got mixed up in that once. They hired a black woman with no experience into a non-entry level position, one that most people have to work years to attain. I had to help her out once, and while she was quite nice, she didn't have the slightest idea what she was doing.

[protege]

Awhile back, my boss tried to hire people of different ethnicities, since the office was, and still is, all-white. However, once he started having people come in for interviews, they wouldn't come to work for us. Apparently, because of the "whiteness" in the office, they just assumed that we were all racists...and that they'd be treated badly. That was *never* the case--it was simply a timing thing. When the jobs opened up, nearly all the applicants were white. No racism involved.

Quotas piss me off too. Companies should be allowed to hire the best qualified person for the job, regardless of skin color. However, that gets swept under the rug in order to make "amends" for past events. Who gets hurt in the long run? We all do.

Reverse discrimination will *not* make the problem go away. All it's going to do is make people even more resentful, and prejudiced. The same thing could be said about reparations for descendants of slaves. Sure, they'll be happy in the short run, but it'll lead to even more problems. For example, why should today's generation be held responsible for events that happened hundreds of years ago? All of the people who *did* those things are dead now.

[rahmota]

affirmative action is not a good thing in my opinion either. that was one thign when i was in training to be a police officer I didnt like. In that just because a department didnt have its quota of minorities a person who was not qualified to do the job might be placed into a situation where lives depend on them.

Like a firefighter. they HAVE to be able to carry so much equipment, deal with high temps, high stress , be required to carry my fat butt out of a place, etc... This means they have to meet certian physical standards. But thanks to affirmative action there could be a person in the position who cannot meet the physical requirements of the job.

Personally there should be blind requirements set for a job and if a person can do the job then great and if they cant sorry but thats the way it goes.

[Rubystars]

I notice when I'm working as a cashier I have to make sure I do certain things differently with black customers.

1. If I'm monitoring self checkouts and both a white and black person need help at the same time, I have to go help the black person first, or they'll think I helped the white person first because I'm racist.

2. If I'm using bags that have been torn off the carousel or pulled out of the recycle bin, I have to make sure I don't give any to black people, or at least make it seem like I'm not, because they'll think I'm giving them a wrinkled bag 'because they're black'.

3. I have to try to be more discreet when checking their bills for counterfeit, because they think the only reason I check their money is because they're black.

4. If I ask for ID for someone who looks young, they often think it's because they're black.

5. I had an injured finger one time and I was trying not to let it brush against anything so I was careful in how I was handing money back to people, and this black woman got upset because she thought I didn't want to touch her because she was black. I showed her the sore on my finger but she just got this look like she didn't believe me and said "mmmm hmmm" in that ebonics accent. So from then on, I always made sure when I handed black people their money that my hand brushed against theirs.

Honestly I really, really get tired of this BS. I'm not racist and if I didn't have to follow the stupid rules as outlined above then I would be happy to completely ignore people's color. It's because they make it such a big issue that I have to keep these things in mind!

[blas87]

Thank you thank you thank you! I am so glad I am not the only person disturbed by all of these inequalities.

Did you know MTV is coming out with a 3rd channel, just for Spanish speaking folks?

Can you imagine the horror and the outrage, if there were ever to be a "White History Month"? Yes, we celebrate dead (white) presidents, but can you imagine a month dedicated to important people in "White" history?

All I can say to people is it is not a crime to be proud of your race. I am proud of who I am, where I came from, and who I am growing up to be. Just because I am proud to be white does NOT make me a Neo Nazi or a Hitler fanatic or a racist. If it's ok to be proud to be black, I can be proud to be white without being criticized and labeled.

[Rapscallion]

I think there's something in the argument that non-whites don't see many role models of their own colour, so I can see some justification for pointing to great achievements by non-whites. There's also the point that it is generally white history year - what colour are the people on the coins you spend, and what colour are the figures depicted in statues? What colour does everyone draw Jesus? I don't regard race-specific history months as reverse racism - I think they're a necessary evil that needs to be removed once they've achieved their purpose.

We're agreed, it seems, that reverse racism is just as bad as the standard sort, but what do we do about it?

Rapscallion

[Rubystars]

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Jesus is supposed to be Jewish, not white or black. It doesn't really matter what His race is though, because black people have painted him as black and so forth, I think it's just to identify with Him.

I grew up in the 80s and 90s and I was never part of apartheid or slavery or anything stupid like that. I never oppressed anyone and I don't feel ashamed about things that had nothing to do with me. Yet I'm being affected by affirmative action, etc.

I don't understand why I don't get the equal opportunity for scholarships or for hiring or for promotions because I don't help "diversity" but lessen it.

There are many achievements that can be attributed mostly or solely to white people just as there are those discoveries/achievements, etc. that can be attributed to black people or Asian people or whoever. Furthermore, white people suffered as serfs and slaves too, does anyone remember reading about that?

Maybe we need white history month for that reason anyway.

[rahmota]

Maybe if we stopped emphasizing the "diversity" seperation in this regards like ethnic history month and go with an overall inclusionist human history month or somethign it might help. Recognize the inventions/discoveries or great deeds of various humans throughout history as well as remembering like you said the bad things that humans did to each other regardless of skin tone. Its not just dark skin that has felt the lash of the whip or the weight of chains.

I mean there is one "race" and that's human. Everything else is just a matter of skin pigment and fat deposits. So having a seperate month for each little differention of skin tone is rather self defeating in the long run.

And i've already stated how I feel affirmative action is a bad thing. Diversity is a good thing but if by becoming more diverse the ability to get the job done or take care of things is lesened then what good have you actually achieved in the end?

[Rubystars]

Its not just dark skin that has felt the lash of the whip or the weight of chains.

Exactly! And white people most certainly were not the only ones who enslaved anyone else! There was, of course, slavery in Africa (one could argue there still is), but there were black slave owners even in the USA!

I mean there is one "race" and that's human. Everything else is just a matter of skin pigment and fat deposits. So having a seperate month for each little differention of skin tone is rather self defeating in the long run.

I think it would be wonderful if we could just forget all about what color other people are, but as I mentioned in the 'reverse racism' thread, it's impossible for me to ignore people's color because I always have to guard against innocent actions which could be seen as racist. Ironic, huh?

Diversity is a good thing but if by becoming more diverse the ability to get the job done or take care of things is lesened then what good have you actually achieved in the end?

I think that diversity should be encouraged not for its own sake, but to keep someone from being discriminated against because of their race. Instead of the concept of "diversity" being used to keep people from being ruled out due to color, it's doing the opposite, favoring certain races. I should be contributing to a 'diverse' work force as much as a black or hispanic employee is, but that's now how it works out in reality. They're 'diverse' and I'm not. It's really irritating!

[squall]

Jesus is supposed to be Jewish, not white or black. It doesn't really matter what His race is though, because black people have painted him as black and so forth, I think it's just to identify with Him.

Jewish is not a race, it is a religion, just like Christianity is a religion. Christians have the biggest majority of races I can think of. The majority of jews consider themselves of either caucasian or middle-eastern descent. And of course Muslims are usually of middle eastern, or Asian descent.

I have never seen a survey or job application that gives "Jewish" as a race in the race selection. Usually, but not always, they fall under caucasian or middle-eastern, the majority of jews today are descended from both; such as Hispanics are descended from Spanish caucasians and American Indians(usaully a mayan or aztec ethnic subdivision).

So Jesus is of the Jewish religion, but is probably a mixture of caucasian and middle eastern, or either one.....or could just be descended from God, whic begs the question what race is God, not one I intend to analyze.