Babies!!!!!

[blas87]

I feel bad for him. Mama Bear found out (cuz fatmouth blas can't keep her mouth shut of course) and she's on a rampage. Poor kid, he's been out of state for work for 2 weeks with probably no rest or relaxation, and he gets to come back to bitter cold miserable Wisconsin to get yelled at.

He better know better. If not, I'll push for adoption and try to get the whole family in on it. What this little....girl has done to my brother the past few months has had me shaking in a silent rage, she's not going to fuck him over for the rest of his life. She is exactly the kind of manipulative little girl to try something like that, too.

And she has it in her head that brother is going to ask her to marry him. I'll lock him in a closet and stand outside waiting with a pitchfork.

[Greenday]

Hm, you sound a lot like my sister.

[blas87]

I'm really over protective of him. He's my one and only true friend that I've had for most of my life.

[anakhouri]

I was never too interested until I turned about 28, when it hit me hard. I had Khan at 30 and have no desire to do it again! I could always change my mind though.

[tropicsgoddess]

I'm 27 and now I'm starting to get these small pangs of desire for kids and the feeling like Mother Nature is knocking at my door harder than a desperate salesperson trying to give me the sales pitch to buy their swill.

[HYHYBT]

Less than two years until I can get snipped!

There's a limit on that? Hm.

I don't know that it's so much a matter of a biological clock or stability, but a realization that, if you're going to have them, this is the best time of life to do so. Sure, Tony Randall, but if you want to live to see your children grow up, much less to know your grandchildren...

And even aside from death, at some point there's the realization that they age at the same rate of 52 weeks per year that you do. Would you rather be raising teenagers at 50 or at 65?

(As for me, I still don't want any... but I *do* want to arrange to see my niece and nephew more often )

[Greenday]

There's a limit on that? Hm.

Well, most doctors don't perform these kinds of procedures on people my age. I found a urologist that said you must be 25 or older. I'm only 23 so...

[Andara Bledin]

There's a limit on that? Hm.

Oh, yeah. There's a strong bias towards procreation. It tends to be worse if you're female.

^-.-^

[linguist]

I absolutely believe that men have a biological clock of sorts.

When I was a teenager, kids were an abstract "maybe someday" sort of concept.

In my late teens and throughout most of my early to mid 20s I was actively certain that I never wanted kids.

In my late 20s I had a change of heart. First I just warmed up to idea of kids, but then I came to a point that I really wanted them. Now, in my early 30s, I see kids and get sad that I don't have any myself. My desire for children gets stronger every day.

And I don't necessarily buy the stability idea, at least not in my case, because to be honest I am not stable. I'm in a stable, long term relationship, but that's about as far as it goes. We still live paycheck to paycheck, more or less, have fairly heavy debts due mostly to student loans, and I still have several years left before I finish my education and am able to begin my career.

I know that now is not the time to start a family, and so we're putting it off, but I still want it more than I can say.

[guywithashovel]

For most of my adult life, I've leaned towards not having kids. When I was growing up, my aunt and uncle didn't have any kids at home, and I always thought it would be so cool to have their life. Don't get me wrong. They had responsibilities, and they weren't out partying all the time or taking lavish vacations every other week like some people tend to think people without children do. I just always thought it was cool that it was just the two of them there at home. That seemed like such a tranquil way to live.

I still don't have much of a desire to have kids, though I have entertained thoughts of it, just to consider the other side of the coin. I might be open to taking in a foster kid sometime. Also, if I meet someone I like who has kids already, that might work, too, depending on the kids. All in all, though, I think I'd rather just not have them. My sister has a baby, and she and BIL are planning on having more, so my family's bloodline is continuing. Not that people should have kids just so their bloodlines can continue (unless you're royalty).

[HYHYBT]

Oh, yeah. There's a strong bias towards procreation. It tends to be worse if you're female.

^-.-^

I wonder how much of that *is* "bias towards procreation" as opposed to bias against major, nearly-irreversible elective procedures. It's hard to tell, because there's really nothing else in the same category: it's not purely cosmetic, like tattoos or breast implants, and there aren't any other organs you really choose when to use or are likely to want altered so they don't function as they normally would.

This sounds odd, but the closest parallel I can think of is transgender people. You have to go through a lot of counseling and, most of all, TIME before (and, if I understand correctly, at some points during) the process of changing sex, and not just because the hormones take time to work and the operations are more major. Even if the technicalities could be taken care of in an afternoon, you have to make certain nobody does it on a whim.

[Andara Bledin]

I wonder how much of that *is* "bias towards procreation" as opposed to bias against major, nearly-irreversible elective procedures.

It used to be that to get a contraceptive implant, a woman had to be old enough and preferably already had kids. Otherwise, she'd have to fight and maybe shop around for a provider to take care of it. Thankfully, it seems things are drastically different these days.

^-.-^

[Giggle Goose]

My brother's gf is pressuring him to have a baby with her (don't ask me how I found this out, my family is irate). They are 21 and 20. OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!

Blas, your brother has to lose this chick ASAP!!! 21 and 20, is she nuts???!!!

I agree with everyone else who said that men may have a biological clock...it just tends to be milder than women's, if it goes off at all. I think I'd like to have one, two at the absolute maximum. I thought I wanted to be a young mum when I was in college, but now that I have a career and I'm enjoying spending all my money on ME it doesn't look like a child is on the horizon anytime soon. Call me selfish, but it's better than having one and then deciding I can't handle the responsibility like those insufferable "16 and Pregnant" MTV moms.

[Parvenu]

Oh, yeah. There's a strong bias towards procreation. It tends to be worse if you're female.

^-.-^

It is, it took me about 8-9 years to get a doctor to take me seriously about getting my girl bits snipped. I was about 30 by that point and I was lucky I've heard of people being told to come back in a few years when they have either had children or they are almost past child baring years. I made a strong point to the doctor I had (who then agreed and put me forward thankfully).

I've never wanted children and yet society tends to focus on reproduction as the main aim in a women's life. I've stopped telling people I've been fixed and instead just say I can't have children, it's easier then the list of questions on why don't you want the joy of children but i still get "oh i am sorry" like its a huge issue. I'm sorry if I don't conform to society but it's my body thank you very much.

[guywithashovel]

http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and...isk-in-men-too

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...51C0A9619C8B63

It appears that men may have some "biological clock" issues, after all. That's assuming they want kids, of course. If they don't, then I guess they have nothing to worry about.