Paintballs or BB's?

[BlaqueKatt]

better article here

also discusses TNR programs, and how they've decimated the endangered woodland rat* population in florida-

*as in human kills it we go to prison or get a huge fine. They are also spreading feline leukemia to the native bobcat and mountain lion populations, it's also being spread to the ENDANGERED Iberian lynx.

They are in most states considered an invasive species, and NOT PROTECTED, unless a new law is passed, to the detriment of local NATIVE wildlife.

[Nyoibo]

See, that stuff pisses me off, if you want cats, have fucking indoor cats, if you want dogs, make sure your ward or property is fenced properly, it's not fucking hard, I have 3 dogs and 3 cats, all 3 cats are indoor cats, only 1 of them is ever even interested in going outside, I also have 3 dogs, they have never onve left the property, most of the time they've never even left the house block, it's not hard.

[Andara Bledin]

Even if you don't keep your cats indoors, at least have the decency to have them up to date on vaccinations and spayed/neutered. There's no excuse for not doing both.

^-.-^

[AdminAssistant]

Your property, defend it however you see fit.

[Difdi]

Was gonna get a bb gun, but the husband says they're not very accurate. I'm a good shot, I want an accurate gun.

Then I thought about paintball guns. It's not so hard to put a paintball where you want, I've done it. And you can strafe with paintballs. I don't think you can do that with a bb. I figure I can put a paintball short gun into my gardening stuff and keep it handy.

You could always combine the two. By adding stiffer springs and seriously cranking up the gas pressure, you can get some pretty respectable muzzle velocity out of a paintball gun. And you can get ball bearings in .68 caliber.

[LadyMage]

kink if I find out you shot an animal with ANYTHING I will shot you with a paintball back! *shoots a paintball for the kitty*

sorry but the idea of getting a fucking GUN to control animals is wrong, use something nicer for fucks sake

I am sorry but this kind of thinking pisses me off, what if it was one of my kitties that got loose BY MISTAKE and you hurt it, I would be PISSED! same if it was a dog of mine

plus I think any shooting of any animal is against most laws in most areas, with ANY projectile so legally not worth a hassle, the dog traps are a better idea, then the animal control people can deal with the pack of dogs, but shooting an animal and you are not hunting for food *the one exception I make, and only if you have NO OTHER OPTION when it comes to meat* oh and difdi, NO! joking or not NOT FUNNY

and yes I am an animal lover *not peta, I have some sanity* can you tell

to recap

1. its mean to the animal
2. not worth the legal hassle
3. owner might get pissed, which means you might get hurt instead
4. better ways of doing it, like FENCES (sorry but yeah) HUMANE TRAPS, SMELLS, SEALING GARBAGE CANS *great for raccoons too
5. might piss off the animal and get mauled, bit, sick, shots from hell that kind of thing

got it?

yes I understand some pet owners are idiots and don't take good care of pets, its sad but true, but that doesn't give anyone the right to harm and animal, and since you do paintballing you know that shit HURTS! sorry kink you get no sympathy from me

how about you ask the nice animal control people HUMANE ways of doing it before someone calls the police on you *IT WILL HAPPEN* for shooting animals with paintballs, oh and confess to those you did do, and be as sorry as possible!

btw all my cats are indoor, have all their shots, are spayed and neutered and the one cat we think can go outside will be on a leash oh and the dogs we had, same thing, a dog got out ONCE by mistake and he only tried to get a boat to another state *I don't know why!* so no I am not like the idiots around you, but that doesn't mean I am gonna say 'poor kink she has to shoot annoying beasts with paintballs' fucking-a

yeah that is one of my hot buttons folks, harming animals for an owners stupidity

[AdminAssistant]

Kink was confronted by a pack of dogs inside her fence. She has a small child. Sorry, but if I were in that situation, I would use lethal force if necessary, just as I would if it were a strange human threatening me.

[LadyMage]

Kink was confronted by a pack of dogs inside her fence. She has a small child. Sorry, but if I were in that situation, I would use lethal force if necessary, just as I would if it were a strange human threatening me.

for the pack of dogs fair enough, but for a little stray kitty? no no fucking NO! *granted I won't say a cat isn't dangerous, I am pretty sure my smallest one could maul me if she wanted to, but she isn't an evil rabid doom kitty so I am safe*

and honestly I would be more scared of the human, and animal is just as likely to run as fight, a human, more likely to fight given the chance

personally if she wants to scare off the animals, use an airhorn, loud, annoying and would scare the shit out of anything but the deaf and water works great with cats, so a water gun is cool, not too much pressure though

but I am still pissed off! I can be understand but I won't be nice and sympathic like everyone else, not when I think that could have been one of my cats paintballed

[RecoveringKinkoid]

1. its mean to the animal
2. not worth the legal hassle
3. owner might get pissed, which means you might get hurt instead
4. better ways of doing it, like FENCES (sorry but yeah) HUMANE TRAPS, SMELLS, SEALING GARBAGE CANS *great for raccoons too
5. might piss off the animal and get mauled, bit, sick, shots from hell that kind of thing

1. You do realize paintballs are non-lethal, right? What's mean is owners taking on the responsibility of a pet and then not being responsible and letting their animal go into harm's way. Yes, I've been shot with a paintball before. I survived. The cat's lucky I got to my paintball gun before I got to my wrist rocket and bag of marbles, because not only am I actually a better shot with that. I shot two marbles through a steel sheet last week. So given the choice between getting shot with a paintball fired out of a cheap marker pistol, or a marble being shot of a wrist rocket, I think the choice is pretty clear. And never mind I have an actual pistol and an actual shotgun that would do more damage than either. Mean? I think my choice of weapons proves I'm jolly fucking Saint Nick.

2. There's no legal hassle in my county. Well, actually, there is, but it would not be my hassle. It would be the idiot reporting his paint-covered-but -otherwise-unharmed unleashed and unrestrained animal getting the hassle. To the tune of an eleven hundred dollar fine for letting his pet roam off his property.

3. On the extremely unlikely event the owner is able to prove it, then I invite him to also bring it.

4. Uh....did you read any of my earlier posts that stated that all this was taking place inside my fenced and properly secured back yard? And did you see the one where I'm about to utilize traps? (which incidentally are also far more lethal than my paintball gun seeing as how if I call animal control to come pick up said trapped animal, they're most likely going to end up euthanizing it. I found out all about that when I was...

5. ...bitten two summers ago by an unlicensed cat (also in my fenced backyard) and ended up spending my vacation being called by DHEC all week due to the subsequent rabies scare. Thank God it was me and not the baby.

So yeah. Been there, done that. Got the shirt.

In answer to your question about asking the animal control people HUMANE ways of dealing with this, who do you think is bringing me the trap? (that's in my last post, too. )

When people are irresponsible with their animals, I'm sorry but it gives other people EVERY right to harm them, if they are on their property. And I mean that in a legal and ethical sense. If you have to harm them to stop them killing your animals, attacking you, damaging your property, threatening your children, then yes. You have EVERY RIGHT to do whatever you have to do to secure your property. And as parent, I have a RESPONSIBILITY to eliminate this epidemic of stray, unlicenced, and feral animals that are swarming over my property. I ought to be able to dry my shoes on the porch without them being stolen and chewed up. I ought to be able to not find shit in my flower beds. I ought to be able to watch nestlings on my fucking deck.

You know, I've had many pets in my life, dogs and cats among them, and I've always somehow managed to not force other people to endure problems caused by any of them (well, other than my shitty drunken roommate. I made her look at dead rats in the refrigerator because she sucked. But other than that no.). It's not that hard to be a responsible pet owner.

And in case anyone is wondering, yeah. I AM mean. But not because I shot a cat in the ass with a fucking paintball. And yeah, if you let your cat off your property in my county, you'd be lucky that's the worst that might happen to it.

[LadyMage]

1. You do realize paintballs are non-lethal, right? What's mean is owners taking on the responsibility of a pet and then not being responsible and letting their animal go into harm's way. Yes, I've been shot with a paintball before. I survived. The cat's lucky I got to my paintball gun before I got to my wrist rocket and bag of marbles, because not only am I actually a better shot with that. I shot two marbles through a steel sheet last week. So given the choice between getting shot with a paintball fired out of a cheap marker pistol, or a marble being shot of a wrist rocket, I think the choice is pretty clear. And never mind I have an actual pistol and an actual shotgun that would do more damage than either. Mean? I think my choice of weapons proves I'm jolly fucking Saint Nick.

2. There's no legal hassle in my county. Well, actually, there is, but it would not be my hassle. It would be the idiot reporting his paint-covered-but -otherwise-unharmed unleashed and unrestrained animal getting the hassle. To the tune of an eleven hundred dollar fine for letting his pet roam off his property.

3. On the extremely unlikely event the owner is able to prove it, then I invite him to also bring it.

4. Uh....did you read any of my earlier posts that stated that all this was taking place inside my fenced and properly secured back yard? And did you see the one where I'm about to utilize traps? (which incidentally are also far more lethal than my paintball gun seeing as how if I call animal control to come pick up said trapped animal, they're most likely going to end up euthanizing it. I found out all about that when I was...

5. ...bitten two summers ago by an unlicensed cat (also in my fenced backyard) and ended up spending my vacation being called by DHEC all week due to the subsequent rabies scare. Thank God it was me and not the baby.

So yeah. Been there, done that. Got the shirt.

In answer to your question about asking the animal control people HUMANE ways of dealing with this, who do you think is bringing me the trap? (that's in my last post, too. )

When people are irresponsible with their animals, I'm sorry but it gives other people EVERY right to harm them, if they are on their property. And I mean that in a legal and ethical sense. If you have to harm them to stop them killing your animals, attacking you, damaging your property, threatening your children, then yes. You have EVERY RIGHT to do whatever you have to do to secure your property. And as parent, I have a RESPONSIBILITY to eliminate this epidemic of stray, unlicenced, and feral animals that are swarming over my property. I ought to be able to dry my shoes on the porch without them being stolen and chewed up. I ought to be able to not find shit in my flower beds. I ought to be able to watch nestlings on my fucking deck.

You know, I've had many pets in my life, dogs and cats among them, and I've always somehow managed to not force other people to endure problems caused by any of them (well, other than my shitty drunken roommate. I made her look at dead rats in the refrigerator because she sucked. But other than that no.). It's not that hard to be a responsible pet owner.

And in case anyone is wondering, yeah. I AM mean. But not because I shot a cat in the ass with a fucking paintball.

yeah you are, but that paintball didn't hurt your case

I understand, hell those owners just as cruel if not more so (in my state, you would be in as much trouble as they are, sorry but thems the breaks here) oh btw, paintballs do HURT, I am glad you are being nonlethal but pain is pain!

and I did mention I too am a RESPONSIBLE PET OWNER, and I did mention the traps *hey I can read yay!* and later on I did give alternatives that are just as evil but not as PAINFUL as paintballs

the owners of the dogs and cats are putting their pets in danger, I won't argue that at all, hell I agree with you they are assholes, but that doesn't give you the right to harm an animal unless there is danger, sorry but NO, not unless you are in real danger from that animal *and yes I know cats can be dangerous, I mentioned that too WOW!*

I am not saying buy a sonic fence, and the sealed cans are more for WILD animals then strays *still a good idea since you sound like you live in a more woodsy area then I do* but every time I re-read that poor kitty with a paintball shot on its butt I think of one my cats getting out by mistake *it can happen, rare but it does and I get sick over it* it getting into your yard, you shooting it, me finding the paint and it limping when it comes home, a vet bill for a bruise, and then me getting pissed at you, calling the cops and saying 'yeah my cat got out by mistake I was looking for it and someone shot it with a paintball' oh and btw this happened in New York, some asshat was shooting pets with a paintball, some where loose and shouldn't have been but others weren't or where accidental runaways

yeah I am really out of line getting mad aren't I?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/06/...eighbors-dogs/

just so you can read it over and judge for yourselves folks, I am a bit angry to be accurate honestly and granted he was doing it needlessly *I know you aren't kink* but this might give you a better idea of where I am coming from

[RecoveringKinkoid]

I have actually seen this article, and it pissed me off, too. This guy definitely needs to answer for what he's done. He shot a dude's pets while said pets were properly restrained on their owner's property.

However, I'm pretty unclear on what that has got to do with me.

[LadyMage]

I have actually seen this article, and it pissed me off, too. This guy definitely needs to answer for what he's done. He shot a dude's pets while said pets were properly restrained on their owner's property.

However, I'm pretty unclear on what that has got to do with me.

you are shooting pets with paintballs, also it was more of a perspetive thing, I live in New York *not brooklyn, long island, but you get the idea* see that shit is illegal here pure and simple, plus it points out paintballs HURT! and honestly in part the whole 'at least I am not killing them' part was in that guys mind too *getting the idea* no you are not as bad as this asshat *I'll lay you odds he was getting off on it too, you aren't* but that one part of the mindset seems to be a common thread, plus the whole pain part, again I am not saying you are as evil as that jerk, but yeah...

again I understand your frustration, a while back there was a big dog running around that was mean *this is hearsay mind you and I don't know what happened* so its not like I haven't seen the other end of this, btw this 'stray' *had an owner who didn't care it seemed* scared the shit out of an ex police dog of all things so yeah this was serious, I don't know what happened so I should ask dad about it, never thought about it till now, mainly because I moved away for a bit before it was resolved, haven't heard about since so I'll ask about it if anyone is interested or cares

again I understand the frustration, it can be annoying, its the whole paintball thing and hurting the animal, even if it is just a bruise that is making me nuts

however check this out, if you can get a mod paintball gun with PEPPER in it, then you won't get my ire up so high, plus could be fun to use on the neighbors http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/03/...fight-coyotes/ (was looking at it as a counter point to my issue, but either way you might get a kick out of it)

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Well, yes. Paintballs hurt. I think we've established this. Being shot with them myself, and multiple times I might add (I used to play. With actual soldiers. Listen. I know what a paintball feels like. I know what getting strafed with volleys of them feel like. I'm just sayin'). If they didn't hurt, I'd move on to something that did.

I also know what getting knocked unconscious from a blow to the head feels like, what getting a rib broken with a fencing foil feels like, and what peeling the skin down to the connective fiber in your shin feels like.

Pain is a pretty good teaching tool. I will never duck under things while wearing a brimmed hat again. I will wear proper chest protection while playing dangerous contact sports in the future. And I will never screw around after hours roughhousing in a scenery shop again.

If I went somewhere and got my ass stung enough, while being chased by someone shooting something loud at me, I'd maybe consider that's the wrong yard to climb into and kill things.

If my cat came home limping and covered with paint, I'd damn straight make sure to keep it where I knew where it was next time.

No, I didn't get off on it. I was fucking upset. At that moment in time, I was mad enough to want to kill it. I had to take two belts of whiskey after just to calm down enough to finish my fucking coffee. This shit first thing in the morning.

I've chased this cat out of my yard sans paintballs before. It's evidently got a thick skull and not getting the message. It evidently needs a little louder message so it can remember which yard is the wrong yard.

But getting back to my point, yeah. Paintballs hurt. Life hurts. That's how you learn quite a few things in this life, and the extremely valuable lessons tend to be on the expensive side.

[LadyMage]

Well, yes. Paintballs hurt. I think we've established this. Being shot with them myself, and multiple times I might add (I used to play. With actual soldiers. Listen. I know what a paintball feels like. I know what getting strafed with volleys of them feel like. I'm just sayin'). If they didn't hurt, I'd move on to something that did.

I also know what getting knocked unconscious from a blow to the head feels like, what getting a rib broken with a fencing foil feels like, and what peeling the skin down to the connective fiber in your shin feels like.

Pain is a pretty good teaching tool. I will never duck under things while wearing a brimmed hat again. I will wear proper chest protection while playing dangerous contact sports in the future. And I will never screw around after hours roughhousing in a scenery shop again.

If I went somewhere and got my ass stung enough, while being chased by someone shooting something loud at me, I'd maybe consider that's the wrong yard to climb into and kill things.

If my cat came home limping and covered with paint, I'd damn straight make sure to keep it where I knew where it was next time.

No, I didn't get off on it. I was fucking upset. At that moment in time, I was mad enough to want to kill it. I had to take two belts of whiskey after just to calm down enough to finish my fucking coffee. This shit first thing in the morning.

I've chased this cat out of my yard sans paintballs before. It's evidently got a thick skull and not getting the message. It evidently needs a little louder message so it can remember which yard is the wrong yard.

But getting back to my point, yeah. Paintballs hurt. Life hurts. That's how you learn quite a few things in this life, and the extremely valuable lessons tend to be on the expensive side.

HUMANS can learn by pain, yes animals can too, but it makes me cry to think about that cat, sorry but yeah it makes me cry, and if my cat came home limping I would keep it inside *all ready do!* but I would also find the person who shot it and either give them a piece of my mind or if I was of a more sue happy mind set, SUE THEM!

yeah life hurts, but life has a habit of making events harm EVERYONE who has a part in a bad action, and again I know you aren't as bad as the guy in NY but that doesn't make me any nicer about you doing this

since I can't seem to make this any clearer...

paintballing ANY animal is asking for trouble because someone may own that animal and WILL get back at you OR the animal won't learn to stay out, it will learn "kill this thing hurting me to keep it from happening again" or "not get caught" *slippery slope I know but it can happen, the second one more likely*

I don't see pain as a good teaching tool when the lesson is merely 'avoid or eliminate thing causing pain'

I gave alternatives that might be better, but I'll just end on this note, I will NEVER agree that paintballing an animal is right, good, ok, wise, kind, or smart, unless the animal is a threat, otherwise watergun *super soaker* airhorn, loud noises ANYTHING

again I understand but I do not agree, the thought of shooting that poor cat makes me sick no matter how you slice it sorry but that is how I feel

[ExRetailDrone]

I don't know, I consider those animals a threat to Kink and her family (which includes a young daughter) because they keep getting into her fenced in backyard. Her daughter could have easily gone out there to play and come face-to-face with a pack of strange dogs. Who knows what they would have done? It's not safe to assume that they are friendly and would have trounced up and started wagging their tails. If I saw a pack of strange dogs on my property, I would treat them as threats...because they are. They could very well be aggressive, or rabid.

And a paintball is not a lethal weapon, and I think it could help to control some of these animals, and hopefully maybe their idiot owners. If one of my cats accidentally got loose and came home with a paintball bruise, I would be more careful to make sure it didn't happen again. And my cat would probably learn that the outside might not be quite as fun as first thought.

I'm an avid animal lover, but I see nothing wrong with the way Kink has handled this given how long she has had to deal with this bullshit, and the fact that all these unknown animals pose a very real threat to her daughter.