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  • #16
    heck if you are going to get that far

    I wanna see a Borg ship go up against a Shadow or Vorlon ship or maybe a WARLOCK class Earthforce ship
    I'm lost without a paddle and I'm headed up sh*t creek.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Racket_Man View Post
      heck if you are going to get that far

      I wanna see a Borg ship go up against a Shadow or Vorlon ship or maybe a WARLOCK class Earthforce ship
      B5 as a show was really really light on technobabble and any sort of concrete technological rules. Which on one hand might have made it easier to follow for some, but on the other means there's not much concrete about any of the tech. Vorlon and Shadow ships tended to come across as being amazingly powerful just because the writer's said so. Anything outside of the relatively mundane Earth ships was pretty up in the air and sort of handwaved as being as powerful as required by the plot.

      Both were capable of destroying entire planets if need be, and both, Vorlons especially, possessed whatever powers were required by the plot. Without any explaination as to why.

      It made the space battles in B5 pretty meh to be honest.

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      • #18
        I'd like to see ST take on an 18-kilometre-long W40k battle barge staffed by a couple of companies of Space Marines...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Racket_Man View Post
          heck if you are going to get that far

          I wanna see a Borg ship go up against a Shadow or Vorlon ship or maybe a WARLOCK class

          Warlocks are Oped... they will just chain cast fear and let the DoT's kill the target.

          Or am I not following you?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Gravekeeper View Post
            Against a ship from another franchise that lacks that technology and thus any reason to counter that technology, a ship from the Star Trek universe would just start systematically transporting the enemy crew into open space and/or transporting live warheads directly onto the enemy ship. Ironically, extremely few other sci-fi franchises use crazy sensors or teleportation tech specifically to avoid being compared to Star Trek. Which leaves them inherent vunerable to it.
            Poked at by Star Trek's own rules of engagement. Sure, the sensors are stupidly powerful, but only the 'short range' scans can pick out lifesigns, which means well within weapons range of any Non-ST vessel.

            Secondly, the Federation has strict rules against transporting someone (or lots of someones) and purging the pattern buffer. Something about 'unethical conduct' and 'potential for war crimes'.

            Thirdly, large amounts of ferro-magnetic materials interfere with transporter locking, and even a simple energy deflection shield, even one that is not 100% effective against weapon-grade impacts, completely prevents ST transporters from working. (How many episodes had the Enterprise or Voyager in a standoff with a potentially hostile ship, while a crewmember was somewhere else, with their only hope being an emergency transport, and the Enterprise unable to assist because it had to drop its shiels in order to transport?)

            Admittedly, a MASSIVE advantage every ST-universe ship has is warp travel; Being able to literally 'hop' from location to location in local space due to 'flickering' beyond the speed of light is an amazing tactical advantage, as well as a powerful strategic advantage. The problem is that they're hamstrung by what I mentioned in my earlier post. (I mean, come on; Modern Ships have weapons that outrange the 'arbitrary maximum range' as enforced by ST canon)

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            • #21
              I don't think the transporter is blocked from *transporting* iron, though. And if you start removing chunks of hull...
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              • #22
                Originally posted by HYHYBT View Post
                I don't think the transporter is blocked from *transporting* iron, though. And if you start removing chunks of hull...
                Yes, the reason technology in Star Trek is so amazing is because new applications for it basically occur every week as the situation requires. Also, Star Fleet regulation is just as malleable by plot interference as Star Fleet technology. >.>

                Even if all that fails, they'll likely succeed by modulating something's frequency.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Gravekeeper View Post
                  Even if all that fails, they'll likely succeed by modulating something's frequency.
                  I'd like to see them Modulate the Frequency of a multi-ton chunk of solid ferrous material moving at a rather sizeable percentage of C.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Gravekeeper View Post
                    and/or transporting live warheads directly onto the enemy ship. Ironically,
                    Pretty sure it's been done before.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Nyoibo View Post
                      Pretty sure it's been done before.
                      It has, in stargate.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by bara View Post
                        So, was watching Star Trek and I noticed they have some nice toys.
                        Teleports, sheilds, warp ship, replicators, hollodecks, lots of hot women, computers that can run Starcraft and not lag. BUT... I have never seen a seat belt.
                        Ah but they have at various time mentioned the inertial dampners.

                        Aka what your seat belt does.

                        Inertia sends you forward in a crash. The seat belt stops your forward momentum or dampens the Inertia. Theoretically the same system that gives them artificial gravity most likely has part to do with dampening the inertia.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by linguist View Post
                          It has, in stargate.
                          That was practically the go to tactic whenever something bad was on the other side of the Stargate. Drive a nuke through.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Gravekeeper View Post
                            That was practically the go to tactic whenever something bad was on the other side of the Stargate. Drive a nuke through.
                            while this is true, i was specifically referencing the movie, where they used the ring transporters to teleport a nuke onto ra's ship.

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