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  • Termination for not signing the new ADR?

    [I posted this on CS yesterday, and was told that fratching.com is a better forum for it.]

    Some weeks ago, an assistant manager handed out these four-page pamphlets titled "Alternative Dispute Resolution & Mutual Arbitration Agreement Handout."

    Since then, we've been told at meetings that it's a good thing - good for us employees because it adds another layer of assistance we may have with the company. (Of course they're going to tell us that.) They've also told us that we'll have all the same rights after signing it that we currently do. (And THAT lie, I'm told by two attorneys, is "Fraud"!)

    I've avoided the topic until yesterday, when my manager asked me if I'd signed it yet.

    I told him I hadn't, and handed him two pages I've been carrying to work with me each day: a fax to the Corporate Office that I'd typed-up.

    I have two issues with the ADR

    #1 It states above the signature line - on page four - that I am "voluntarily agreeing to these terms." Well, I'm not "voluntarily" signing it. It also states on the cover page that "All family members must sign the mutual arbitration agreement found on page four of this document." Well, how can I sign something "voluntarily" that everyone "must sign"?

    I know, most people do sign them without any thought. You've probably signed one yourself when you were hired at your current job. You probably also signed something similar to it when you last opened a bank account or credit card account or bought airline tickets. But I have a reason for not wanting to sign-away my right (under the 7th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution) to file a claim in a real trial court ...

    #2 A year and a half ago, I arrived at work to discover that my Saturday night closing shift had been taken away from me because I hadn't reset one of the dining room tables the previous week.

    What had happened that previous week? I'd been told by my assistant manager that night to clock-out (so she could begin her end-of-the-night paperwork) as soon as my last table of customers had paid ... but while they were still seated there enjoying their dessert & pitcher of booze ...

    So now I was being penalized for not working off-the-clock. Illegal, no?

    My G.M. who had made this decision wasn't even there the night that my closing shift was taken away, and the two assistant managers told me there was nothing they could do about it. Oh, and by the way, that was the only time in the years I'd worked for this G.M. that I'd missed resetting one of the 80+ tables in the restaurant!

    I showed-up early the next night that manager worked so I could discuss it with her, but she was out of the building on an errand. She returned later while I was busy during the dinner rush, then left again before I had a chance to speak with her.

    The next night after that that we both worked was Wednesday: I arrived and learned that [1] my closing shift that night - as well as all further closing shifts - was revoked until further notice, and [2] my G.M. again wasn't there ... this time because she would be out of town for the next few weeks to open some new restaurants in another state. (The company must be really impressed with her ability to sit on her butt in the office during our busiest lunch-rush and dinner-rush hours. Maybe they want her to train the new managers how to sit on their butts too?)

    These closing shifts are valuable because the two closers make MUCH more than the rest of the servers. They start before the beginning of the dinner rush and work until we lock the front doors. They also share a room and two additional premium tables. When I came in that Saturday night, instead of being in the premium closing section, I was given just four tables in the corner of the bar.


    NOW ...

    It's been a year and a half since this happened. I was eventually given my closing shifts back eight or nine weeks later. I typed-up complaints to federal and state regulatory agencies, but left them sitting my computer (because employees who file such complaints get fired for minor policy violations).

    I actually have only half a year left to file a claim before I'm barred by the statute of limitations. And I've been content knowing that I could do it if I wanted to. But I haven't. And probably wouldn't.


    BUT then I was given this ADR that I "must" sign, that requires me to surrender my right to file a claim in a real court.


    Punishing me for not working off-the-clock was slap in the face. Requiring me to surrender my right to do anything about it (six months early) is a second slap in the face. Thanks for the reminder, jerks!


    By giving the company this letter, I may have really stepped in it this time. And right now, I believe I'm too pissed off to even care.


    [Edit: Here's my original post about losing that shift: http://www.customerssuck.com/board/s...ad.php?t=68963 I didn't mention in my e-mail to Scary (the G.M.) back then that Snap Turtle (the A.M.) had told me to clock out while the customers were still there because I didn't want Snap Turtle (or "Snappy") to also get in any more trouble than she was already in. Unfortunately, as I mentioned above, I'm too pissed off to care now.]

    [Edit #2: If everyone were to refuse to sign these things, then employers (and others) wouldn't be able to get away forcing people to give up their rights! Damn, I'm even angrier now!]

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    I've had several employers present these to me over the years. In each case, I've signed them to avoid any disputes over them. However, I know that they are not legal and have no legal standing.

    My sister-in-law was fired from the casino she worked at for 12 years for not signing one. She went to the labor board and they took action against the casino for the wrongful termination. You see, Arbitration Agreements make the employee believe that the labor board can no longer protect them and they don't like that. My sister-in-law was offered her job back, which she declined, and was paid all back wages plus an agreed upon amount in tips she would've made had she still been working there.

    A porter had been fired and fought the casino along with her. She took her job back, and they tried everything they could to make her quit. She ended up getting the labor board involved again and won another suit.
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    • #3
      My coworker - who also refused to sign the ADR agreement - was fired this weekend ... for a mistake in entering a tip from a credit card slip back in February.

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      • #4
        since it's a contract, i'm assuming your boss signs it as well? why not cross out+ initial the lines you don't agree to, sign it and hand it in. if your boss signs it after you changed it without bothering to read the changes, then that's his problem.
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        • #5
          IANAL, IANYL. That said...

          Contracts are supposed to be give and take. If the contract is insisting that you give up certain rights, they must also be giving you concessions of some sort. If the contract is entirely one-sided, abusing the superior leverage of their position as employer, the contract is most likely voidable, if not entirely void.

          What concessions does the contract offer, if any?

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          • #6
            I'm driving to work Friday afternoon and my cellphone rings. It's my G.M. He's on his way out the door, but he wanted me to know that his boss(es) told him that if I sign the ADR, then I'll be able to file a claim in arbitration about my issue (being penalized by a former G.M. for not working off-the-clock), but that there were no guarantees as to the outcome.

            I repeated back to him what he'd just told me as I was thinking it through, then asked:

            But, if I sign the agreement, then I would be able to file any claim in arbitration, right?

            Yes.

            So ... they're really not offering me anything.

            Nope.


            I told him I wasn't interested in signing it.

            He reminded me that if I don't sign it I'll be terminated.

            I told him that I understood that.

            He then said he'd have to talk with his boss(es) about it, but that he didn't have time to at the moment because he was on his way out the door to get somewhere soon.

            We agreed to discuss it further tomorrow (Sat) before my 4:00 p.m. shift begins.

            So we'll see what happens Saturday ...

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            • #7
              Saturday ...

              Fired, over the phone.

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              • #8
                Check with a legal-oriented site that offers free advice, give them the important information (what state you live in, the general outline of the contract, and the fact that you were fired for not signing it), and ask if you have any legal recourse. If they say you do, talk to a real lawyer, preferably one that offers a free first consultation, to determine if you have enough of a case to go to court over it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nekojin View Post
                  Check with a legal-oriented site that offers free advice, give them the important information (what state you live in, the general outline of the contract, and the fact that you were fired for not signing it), and ask if you have any legal recourse. If they say you do, talk to a real lawyer, preferably one that offers a free first consultation, to determine if you have enough of a case to go to court over it.
                  If you do this, make sure you get a good understanding of what you will be required to do to take it to court. Revenge is all well and good, but if it is likely to take years to wind its way through, it will take a big chunk of your own time and effort too. Make sure it's worth it before you go through with it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by draco664 View Post
                    If you do this, make sure you get a good understanding of what you will be required to do to take it to court. Revenge is all well and good, but if it is likely to take years to wind its way through, it will take a big chunk of your own time and effort too. Make sure it's worth it before you go through with it.
                    *nod* Agreed. I'd expect any attorney worth his salt to give you a low-down on how much time and effort it's going to take, though, so I didn't feel the warning was necessary.

                    Still, there's no such thing as "too prepared."

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                    • #11
                      Every arbitration agreement that I have ever signed in no way took away my ability to file a legal claim in a court of law nor could it. All it did was say that I agreed to First allow attempts at resolving the matter internally before involving outside parties.

                      I have never seen one that stated, "This means you can only utilize internal arbitration and if we say your screwed a court of law will side with us neener neener"
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jackfaire View Post
                        Every arbitration agreement that I have ever signed in no way took away my ability to file a legal claim in a court of law nor could it. All it did was say that I agreed to First allow attempts at resolving the matter internally before involving outside parties. [....]
                        That's how our A.M. explained it to us at an employee meeting. He told us that this agreement merely added another step to resolve disputes - "a good thing."

                        But I'd already read it.

                        When I later discussed it with my G.M., he wouldn't agree with me, but instead carefully said things like "if that's how you read it" and "if that's how you interpret it."


                        Where is that thing ... over here ... a-ha!

                        "[...] the Company and Family Member agree that any and all disputes, controversies, and claims [...] shall be submitted to and resolved through final and binding arbitration [....]"

                        and (yes, this part is in all caps - twice!) ...

                        "THE COMPANY AND FAMILY MEMBER AGREE THAT CLAIMS COVERED UNDER THIS AGREEMENT WILL NOT BE SUBJECT TO TRIAL BY JURY OR BY A COURT OF ANY JURISDICTION."

                        and ...

                        "[...] does not apply to claims for unemployment benefits, workers' compensation benefits, or any other claims that are not legally subject to binding arbitration. All other claims are subject to mandatory arbitration."


                        So it appears that things like unemployment and workman's comp are, by law, not able to be signed-away to arbitration, but everything else is for sale (for the price of keeping your job).

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                        • #13
                          Yeah that one is a way of saying, "You will not sue the company if you don't like our resolution on the issue."
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                          • #14
                            I agree with the others that you should seek legal advice on suing their butts off. Of course, it may be impossible with win as well as you'd like, but the "if you don't sign it, you'll be terminated" (well, your job ) would be obviously backed up by being fired - with no apparent reason. I don't know about where you are, but in Australia, that'd get the company in a whole pile of shit!

                            If, perchance, you had other co-workers back up what you say about the AM or GM saying one thing about the contract (eg, no losses, only benefits), and the potential of the contract being unlawful, then I'd suggest you'll have plenty of legs to stand on!!!

                            (I like sticking it to big companies! I did that to the last place I worked at in Aust before I left... left them with an investigation over their heads from the govt for breaches of our contract... I had a 2 hour phone call (with 2 people - obviously, as evidence/support) about it all. Didn't come to anything (unfortunately), but obviously had them scared!!! )
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Slytovhand View Post
                              and the potential of the contract being unlawful, then I'd suggest you'll have plenty of legs to stand on!!!
                              At least in the states most areas that contract agreeing not to sue in and of itself would not be unlawful. However forcing people to sign it would be as that would be coercion. That is a gray area though as if it is now a requirement of employment the company has leeway in such matters.

                              It's like how companies are allowed to deny you the right to do something on the basis that you refuse to sign the waiver saying they cannot be sued for you getting hurt and that you understand the risks.
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