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    things people do that make me shake my head and say "opsec fail"

    I may add to the list as i think of new things

    1) stick figures on the back of the car to represent the family(or turtles) etc.
    Cute sure, but ... if you're headed out now someone can look at your car and see "gee, Mom, Dad, Junior, Juniorette... everyone's here so no one's minding the house."

    2) GPS - putting home on the map.
    Someone breaks in they know you're not home. and you provided them a map to your empty house.

    (combine with #1 for even more bonuses to the thieves)


    3) Beggars right outside the base gate here.
    Most likely just beggars but... gee if you need to gather some intel on targets coming and going... why bother casing it yourself. Offer the beggar some cash to do it for you.

    People don't always look at the obvious spots really. some of the "fantasy" stuff in those spy novels... came from real scenarios.


    4) Putting military awards on the back of the car.
    Eh. Yes they're earned but part of me also says... "are you sure you want *everyone* around to know you're military? Are they trustworthy?"



    These are all things I see around here. Now granted I won't say the Navy's any better... but it just strikes me as a bit "ummm, you sure you wanna do that?" cos it goes against some of the things we were specifically taught.

    things like not putting rank on mail boxes, not putting rank on bags, not driving the same way to work every day, or leaving at the exact same time. being conscious of where your hotel room is in the building*, not answering the phone military-style.

    and in the navy they don't usually train something unless they've seen it go wrong. meaning "learn from my mistakes"


    but i do remember back on my first ship, being told that there was a case when terrorists had been caught casing areas. what i was told was that they abandoned their original target because "it was too hard" - meaning that the crew was too observant of what was going on around them.

    if anything they used that for motivation for training us. every day we had security drills. got mad at myself once in one drill where i knew something didn't look right (why does that sailor have two guns on him?) and i went near him anyway instead of running to another area. So I got "killed" by the "disgruntled sailor" (never gonna fall for that shit again believe you me!)


    but that's some of the things i think about when i look at the base here. most likely the things i see won't ever be used against people.... but it could be.

    cos the greatest hackers didn't hack computers... they hacked people.



    * seriously, they had specific instructions on where to have your room placed and to refuse anything in a "danger area" (tho more for overseas in danger areas than in a normal US city)

  • #2
    Ugh, I can't find the OPSEC button AFN commercial. They have the best OPSEC commercials.

    Yea, some people worried me with careless OPSEC. Like telling LNs what we are doing. The Afghans DON'T need to know.
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    • #3
      Those are the same people who lose unlocked devices, send messages from random email accounts, and share passwords. >_<

      ^-.-^
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Greenday View Post
        Ugh, I can't find the OPSEC button AFN commercial. They have the best OPSEC commercials.

        Yea, some people worried me with careless OPSEC. Like telling LNs what we are doing. The Afghans DON'T need to know.
        Or posting it on Facebook.

        That one's a BIG fail in some military groups. Especially when spouses use it to communicate with the family... and don't understand it's not a secure system.

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        • #5
          Just to be absolutely clear: I take it that this list (except, perhaps, for 1 and 2, for those who enjoy worrying) is not of concern to those outside the military? I mean, we can't *all* have that perfectly-positioned hotel room, and most folks have no reason to think they're in any especial danger.
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          • #6
            Actually, number 3 was mentioned in a civilian situation in another thread: Dumpster divers using their activities to mask the fact that they were casing the complex.

            But all the rest, yeah, not really that important for most of the rest of us.

            ^-.-^
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            • #7
              Actually, Number 2 has been mentioned a lot as a warning to all people, especially in my area (near Washington DC). And it's not directed @ the military (with 2 bases with 30 minute driving range of my town) or the federal government employees (lots of them, obviously), but towards the "regular people" in the area. The GPS thing is usually mentioned during either summer (with the parents & kids going to various sports games and their cars are left alone) or during Christmas shopping time (with people going to the malls and shopping for long hours).
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              • #8
                Originally posted by HYHYBT View Post
                Just to be absolutely clear: I take it that this list (except, perhaps, for 1 and 2, for those who enjoy worrying) is not of concern to those outside the military? I mean, we can't *all* have that perfectly-positioned hotel room, and most folks have no reason to think they're in any especial danger.
                some of these come from training, some from other sources.


                and for the hotel room, when i say "dangerous area" i don't mean detroit or nyc. i mean say... saudi arabia. if you ever go someplace like that IM me and i'll give you the list of what to look for in your room placement.


                and i know you're trying to drag the other thread into this one but really #1 and 3 were not from training but from personal observation, and 2 came from a PSA about gps systems.

                i call it "opsec fail" because I use it to encompass any situation where you inadvertently give out too much information, or ignore in-plain-sight vulnerabilities.
                Last edited by PepperElf; 06-02-2012, 02:50 PM.

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                • #9
                  I am not really concerned with the stick family showing who may not be at home, I am concerned when I see them with names of each person underneath. All it does is invite pervs to come up to your kid and Say...

                  "Hey Susie, I am a friend of "insert mom or dads name here" they wanted me to come and pick you up from school because they had to rush "insert dogs or cats name because that is on the back of the mini van as well" to the vet because "insert bogus reason"

                  then bam, little Susie calmly gets into the car and is never seen again or found at the bottom of a river bank 2 weeks later.

                  You are just making it easier for these pervs to get a hold of your kids when you do stupid stuff like this! Same goes for putting your kids name on the outside of their backpacks, clothes, sports bags etc. Yeah it all cute and embroidered but seriously, this isn't the same world as it was when I was growing up in the 80's and 90's it seems that there are more sickos out there now than ever before. Parents need to stop and think before they do stupid stuff like this.

                  As far as I go, I really don't give a rats ass what your kids name is or how many you have or that jr is on the high school football team and Susie is a figure skater. I would rather read some funny bumper sticker or saying then think " wow I hope I don't see this family on the news any time soon because the parents don't have a brain between them!"
                  Last edited by NoMoreRetail; 06-02-2012, 02:56 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NoMoreRetail View Post
                    Yeah it all cute and embroidered but seriously, this isn't the same world as it was when I was growing up in the 80's and 90's it seems that there are more sickos out there now than ever before.
                    Yes, it is, and no, there aren't. It's unnecessary to ruin a post with really good advice with such misinformation. Most kids are still going to be abducted by family or people they know. However, it's still not a good idea to make your kid an easier target for the few stranger-creeps that are out there.

                    ^-.-^
                    Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                    • #11
                      "Hey Susie, I am a friend of "insert mom or dads name here" they wanted me to come and pick you up from school because they had to rush "insert dogs or cats name because that is on the back of the mini van as well" to the vet because "insert bogus reason"
                      That's a very good point.

                      And you just reminded me of a kiosk store I use to pass by in Virginia Beach in one of the malls that did airbrush work, including putting your name on a shirt or hat etc. They had a sign up stating that they wouldn't do name-work for anyone 9 or under for their safety.

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                      • #12
                        and i know you're trying to drag the other thread into this one but…
                        No, I was trying NOT to do that. What did I say to bring on such an accusation?

                        Anyway… as it happens, I *do* have a point marked HOME on my GPS. It's very useful, and I'm not the least bit worried someone who steals it will use that to find my house, for a very good reason.

                        I got it secondhand The point is close enough that, if I tell the GPS to take me there, I won't need it anymore long before arriving, but it's not where I live. (And the guy who used to own it is armed to the teeth, and so would make a poor target. Still, I've considered moving it to, say, Wal-Mart.)
                        "My in-laws are country people and at night you can hear their distinctive howl."

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                        • #13
                          I also have a Home point on my GPS, but it is to a icon. That way, I know how to find my way back home from there . So if someone steals my gps, then good luck trying to find my house

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                          • #14
                            I think I'd set "home" as the local police station.

                            ^-.-^
                            Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Andara Bledin View Post
                              I think I'd set "home" as the local police station.

                              ^-.-^
                              Good one.
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