I propose a class for either late highschool or early college

[Aethian]

The LYING ABOUT WHAT WAS BEING TESTED is fine on what planet?

It wasn't lying. It was a test to make sure people learned about reading comprehension and following the basic rule of reading over all the steps before doing any work.

[siead_lietrathua]

The LYING ABOUT WHAT WAS BEING TESTED is fine on what planet?

It wasn't lying. It was a test to make sure people learned about reading comprehension and following the basic rule of reading over all the steps before doing any work.

i agree with Aethian. it's NOT a lie.

a person is told to read an entire assignment before proceeding to fill out any answers/ start the tasks that will be listed.

within the text of an assignment is the instruction to do nothing but sign your name, and ignore all other directions.

if you did not read the whole assignment first as instructed in the beginning, you would have completed each portion up to that point in the test. it would be obvious to the person grading that you did not follow the direction to read the entire assignment before filling anything out.

it is in no way a lie by the teacher to give clear directions that are not followed.

[Jester]

This whole thing is about fundamentals, in this case the fundamentals of actually reading instructions. And anytime I see something about the fundamentals, I am reminded of The Onion Interview.

A former coworker of mine, "Gene," had just graduated culinary school, and had applied as a sous chef to a nice local restaurant. He had had a good first interview to with the Head Chef, and had been asked to return for a second interview, on a specific date, at 2:00 pm.

When the appointed day came, Gene showed up at the restaurant shortly before 2:00, and was confused to see two other chefs there, apparently for the same reason. All three were confused, as they had each thought this would be a one-on-one interview. Gene was particularly bummed, as it was clear from talking to the other two that they had far more experience than Gene. At 2:00, the Head Chef came out, greeted each of them, and ushered them into the back. In the back, the Head Chef had a cutting board, a knife, and three onions.

Turning to the first chef, Head Chef said, "Dice me an onion." The first chef, confident in his skills, diced the onion. Head Chef nodded approvingly, and said, "Thank you very much."

Head Chef then turned to the second chef and said, "Dice me an onion." The second chef thought about this for a moment, and then asked, "Would you like a coarse dice, a medium dice, or a fine dice." As the first chef stood there, clearly grimacing from having not thought of this, Head Chef simply said, "A medium dice will be fine." The second chef diced the onion to a medium dice, and the Head Chef, nodding approvingly, said, "Thank you very much."

Head Chef then turned to Gene and said, "Dice me an onion." To which Gene, without missing a beat, said, "Sure. But first, where can I wash my hands?" To which the Head Chef responded, "You're hired!"

And that, boys and girls, is why you need to always remember the fundamentals. In the kitchen, this means washing your hands before prepping food. On a test, it means reading the instructions before proceeding.

[HYHYBT]

None of which even attempts to cover how "this is a test of speed" is not a lie when the only thing really being tested is nitpicking the details. The same lesson could be taught using the same exercise without that lie and it wouldn't have bothered me a bit.

[Aethian]

What's the lie?

If your building something don't you look through all the directions before you start to make sure you have things lined up? How about a recipe? It's the same thing you read through everything before you start.

That's ALL this is being showed. You read through EVERYTHING and with proper reading comprehension you then know which of the directions to do. There is NO lie just because someone fails to read through and comprehend the list of directions.

[Hyena Dandy]

I really hate those tests.

Because every other test you encounter in your school career goes through in that order. Do this, do that, do the other. Read everything, only do the first two, is something that you never have to do. There are plenty of counter-intuitively labeled things, but nothing that's going to accidentally trick you like that.

I don't like it, because it just feels like "Ha! Gotcha! You did what we've trained you to do, but this time it's wrong!"

...Okay, I kind of got realy upset when I was typing this, and went back to edit. I just find people trying to deceive me to be intensely upsetting. They KNOW what they want me to do, they're TRYING to trick me.

You never actually have to do stuff like that on a test, so it gives me no actual skills. If it was done in a reading comprehension type of class, like a very basic English class, maybe.

I don't see it as a lesson, though. I see it as a prank. Those tests give me panic attacks.

[Aethian]

It's a lesson in reading comprehension.

[Mytical]

It is also a lesson in following directions. They are NEVER actually graded. There actually is no deception here. When given these tests you are told by the person giving the test. "Read ALL instructions before beginning. You may begin at any time." Sometimes they do say that it will be graded and they don't grade it, that is true. In that there is a deception, but the instructions are clear.

[gremcint]

It's a lesson in reading comprehension.

no it's not, it's a lesson in how to make it take longer to write a test. if you're like me you read the starting instructions to see if its a case of only do 4 out of 5 and then dive in to the questions this is where I'm showing that I've learned the material and I only have so much time to do it not play games when the degree I'm paying good money to earn and work towards scholarships is on the line.



Here's an example of what I'm referring to in the OP, I'm marking an assignment right now, in the assignment instructions is "inlcude at least 4 comments in your code one of which should have your name and student number" and the number of students that don't do that should honestly be 0 but the first assignment I mark, no comments.

or here is the perfect example, first instruction for the program they are to make "For this class you must use a beach theme or you will be assigned a zero." and I just had to give a zero.

[HYHYBT]

I don't understand how you can possibly see stating "this is a test of speed" when it's nothing of the sort as not being a lie.

[Aethian]

It's starting to feel like that the previous posts aren't even being read. I encountered various writings of this test from third grade on up. In all of those, and one was a 10pt grade, we were told the rule of the test.

Read through all of the statements on the paper before you begin.

Some people took that to mean to start at one, read the whole line, do what was on that line, and continue. Others did what the rule said to do and we were sitting there and watching some of our classmates write furiously.

So on them it was a failure to listen to the full instruction, failure in reading comprehension (since I think that first rule was only missing on one paper), and a deserved fail on the paper. Now where is the fricken deception? Do we not already complain on the other board of how many times a SC will complain up and down that a sign was deceptive because they failed to read the whole sign?

Edited to add...a copy of a link to one of the various forms of this test...

https://www.brainbashers.com/follow.asp

[HYHYBT]

It's starting to feel like that the previous posts aren't even being read.

Amazing. I agree, but because I HAVE read them, and they all ignore the point I've made quite clear about the lie NOT being in the part about reading the whole thing first, but in the explicit claim by the person presenting the test that it was about speed. Why is that so consistently disregarded in responses, which instead go on about the (for this point completely irrelevant) point that "read everything" was included? The lie remains no matter what else is there, and it would be nice for those claiming it wasn't lying to deign to explain how deliberately making false statements isn't lying.

[Andara Bledin]

Why does the statement that the test is about speed a lie? I mean, it's pretty much a given that anyone actually following the instructions properly will be done far sooner than those who fail to do so.

[Aethian]

but in the explicit claim by the person presenting the test that it was about speed.

Why can't it be a test of speed? Look at the one I posted a link to. If you get through all the individual statements you should only need as long as it takes to write your name plus what...45 seconds more? Maybe 1:30 more?

[s_stabeler]

people see a page of questions, and are told the test is about speed. If you are given 30 random questions, without instructions to miss questions out, the fastest way to complete it is not to read the paper before you start answering the questions. Therefore, it actually encourages people to fail the test.