Malicious Food Tampering vs. Stupid Food Thieves

[TheHuckster]

And I may have come across strong (not that I'm apologising) as some posts were saying "X is allergic to Y and you bring food in with Y in it you are a bad person." with some even saying criminal intent.

Wrong. Read those posts again. They are saying that only if the intent of the action is to get someone sick.

Nobody is saying you're a bad person if you simply bring food that you like, but someone else is allergic to.

When I say precautions, I'm talking about:

a.) Making sure it's safe to eat in their presence (some people can have nasty reactions if you even eat food with allergens in them nearby()

b.) Labeling my food or distinguishing it enough so someone who is allergic doesn't make a really bad mistake. Simply having a paper bag that's indistinguishable from other paper bags which contain peanuts could pose a problem.

c.) Being careful during potlucks or other events where one may be openly sharing food.

Usually someone who is extremely allergic is going to make these kinds of things clear already, and I'm not at all saying that one should treat it like they are carrying plague into the office by default.

[Ginger Tea]

Wrong. Read those posts again.

Which I addressed in my second edit.

They are saying that only if the intent of the action is to get someone sick.

Nobody is saying you're a bad person if you simply bring food that you like, but someone else is allergic to.

But some could argue that the intent of getting someone sick is valid by me bringing food in that I intended to eat but you just so happen to be allergic to.

I see it as intent if it is intentionally hidden (a small piece of peanut butter well hidden under some ham, peanut oil brushed over a loaf of bread) both are not harmful to me, but would be to you, but if I have made or bought a salad that used crushed nuts (we used to make them daily at work) and if in the prep they get stirred in, they are not hidden in my opinion, just part of the recipe.

Shop bought or home made, if I brought in a salad with crushed nuts and those are not visible on top it is not my fault or responsibility you get some within the first mouth full.

Regarding the rest, I've already stated that should there be work enforced bans in place I would not knowingly be bringing in food anyway. If Blogs inc has told me in advance to never bring anchovies in, as just the smell alone could bring someone out in hives, I would not bring them in. Once it's office policy its on the books as a potential sackable offence.

[siead_lietrathua]

I agree, and I don't think any of us are disagreeing with either point. The OP, however, implies that the scenario is the former and not the latter... in fact, the thread title even mentions "Malicious Food Tampering."

oh, i understand that. however, i think that simply labelling the food as "sarahs" means that the bag, and it's contents are safe for sarah. if bob feels entitled to steal sarah's lunch, then bob can't complain over anything he encounters in the sack marked for sarah. there would be zero risk for an allergy issue if bob stuck to his own stuff.
if sarah brought in a bag marked for bob full of his allergy foods, or gave him food as a gift that was unmarked, ok that i can see as being Not Fuckin Cool.

but when people advocate that we need to label things meant for personal consumption on the off chance someone might steal it i think priorities are backwards. it's like saying we should safety-proof out homes on the off chance the guy you know wants to rob it gets hurt. well, sorry, but if someone is trying to steal from me, and they hurt themselves stealing the wrong shit, that's on them.

heck, even blatanly malicious chili-pepper-laxative-brownies of DOOM can only hurt bob if bob goes and steals them from the bag that clearly marks them as Not His.

[Ginger Tea]

but when people advocate that we need to label things meant for personal consumption on the off chance someone might steal it i think priorities are backwards.

I hate that in all walks of life, I cant watch X in movies because one child watched a movie at 2am in the living room (before TV's in kids bedrooms were a thing in the UK) and the parent complained, well what the fuck was your 8 year old child doing watching an 18 rated movie even the cut for TV edition at 2am on a school night?

should I start labelling my food "Warning may cause death." because i'm gonna stab the next fucker who eats my food? No, my name should suffice.

Though in all these hypotheticals its hard to imagine someone so blasé about their predicament that they would just take any food willy nilly, if I could be sick eating something I sure as hell wouldn't risk it, free food vs time off sick due to allergies is not an equation id like to work out.

heck, even blatanly malicious chili-pepper-laxative-brownies of DOOM can only hurt bob if bob goes and steals them from the bag that clearly marks them as Not His.

But in this case, if you yourself eat said brownie knowing you will suffer, I have no qualms with you making it, if you throw it away at the end of the shift as its been left untouched, then that makes you a bad person. It's only cool if its something you yourself are willing to eat.

I'm reminded of a scene where 3 people spike a dish for someone they don't like, too much salt, pepper and a 3rd, no spit or owt. 4th is possibly aware of some form of tampering and offers it to the 5th who had just come in and is un aware, as they didn't want 5th to suffer, one of the 3 drew the metaphorical short straw and ate it showing visible signs of distaste.

If you are not willing to drink your piss laced Lucozade then don't piss in it.

[TheHuckster]

But some could argue that the intent of getting someone sick is valid by me bringing food in that I intended to eat but you just so happen to be allergic to.

If you intended to eat it, then you did not intend to get someone else sick. That's what intent means.

I see it as intent if it is intentionally hidden (a small piece of peanut butter well hidden under some ham, peanut oil brushed over a loaf of bread) both are not harmful to me, but would be to you, but if I have made or bought a salad that used crushed nuts (we used to make them daily at work) and if in the prep they get stirred in, they are not hidden in my opinion, just part of the recipe.

No, we are talking about two different intents. If you put a small piece of peanut butter hidden under some ham, intentionally, that isn't the same as doing that and then intentionally planting it in the refrigerator with the anticipation of someone else stumbling upon it.

but when people advocate that we need to label things meant for personal consumption on the off chance someone might steal it i think priorities are backwards. it's like saying we should safety-proof out homes on the off chance the guy you know wants to rob it gets hurt. well, sorry, but if someone is trying to steal from me, and they hurt themselves stealing the wrong shit, that's on them.

Fine. All I'm saying is there still needs to be some kind of distinguishing and identifying label on the bag to avoid someone mistakenly taking the wrong bag.

Look, here's the deal: If someone brings an allergen-laden lunch to work, labels it with their name (or brings some kind of obviously identifiable box/bag), without the expectation that it's going to be stolen by an allergic culprit, who then gets an allergy attack then clearly it's the thief who is to blame.

If someone knows who is stealing from them and also knows their allergy and, instead of confronting them, decides to bring an allergen laden lunch the next time with the expectation that the thief is going to fall for the trap, then that's when the line is crossed from unfortunate event to potential homicide.

[siead_lietrathua]

If someone knows who is stealing from them and also knows their allergy and, instead of confronting them, decides to bring an allergen laden lunch the next time with the expectation that the thief is going to fall for the trap, then that's when the line is crossed from unfortunate event to potential homicide.

the thing is, you still have to prove their intent was for the person to EAT it. they could have just thought "well, i'll being a PBJ. when theif sees the peanut butter through the sandwich bag they won't eat it." that's not intending to poison someone, that's intending to bring a lunch to eat that hopefully won't get stolen.
as gingertea said, hiding the allergen proves intent to make a person sick (hiding nuts, using oils, etc). but a named bag containing an obvious allergen food is not the fault of the person who brought it. it's the fault of the person who stole it, saw it was a pbj, and still ate it.

edit to add:

All I'm saying is there still needs to be some kind of distinguishing and identifying label on the bag to avoid someone mistakenly taking the wrong bag.

like... a name? that's a clear indicator of who's bag it is.

[Mr Hero]

This might change a few responses, but just to clarify one scenario in my OP

You get your food ganked. You're pretty sure it's the guy with the peanut allergy. You make a deliberate change in your lunch the next day to include said allergen to deter the food thief. The food you bring in is not unsafe or undesirable to you in any way. You label it with your name, put it in the fridge, and get on with your workday. Hopefully you get to eat your delicious meal during break.

It's still hard to feel sorry for the guy because you're already giving a clear indication who the food is intended for. If this went to court, it would be difficult to prove intent.

[Andara Bledin]

If this went to court, it would be difficult to prove intent.

If it went to court, it probably wouldn't matter much that the jury came back with a Not Guilty as you're likely out of a job either way, and possibly up to your ears in debt, not to mention the fact that the court of public opinion will likely be split for/against you.

Seriously; tampering with your food (even if it's just including a known allergen that you can and will eat) is just plain pants on head stupid.

[Ginger Tea]

If you intended to eat it, then you did not intend to get someone else sick. That's what intent means.
* SNIP *
If someone knows who is stealing from them and also knows their allergy and, instead of confronting them, decides to bring an allergen laden lunch the next time with the expectation that the thief is going to fall for the trap, then that's when the line is crossed from unfortunate event to potential homicide.

Half of that post (including what I cut) seemed contradictionary.

It's not laced with non food stuff, just something that someone who is NOT the named owner might have a reaction to.

When does it become a trap?
I was going to eat a ham salad sandwich with just a small piece of peanut butter the size of a 5p piece 'hidden', it's not my fault someone else ate it.

I might have made two sandwiches that day, one for today and one for tomorrow and as I am the only one meant to be eating said lunches I don't care if I use the same knife with just a quick wipe down to avoid peanut butter in margarine (though its quicker and cleaner to do marge/butter first just the same as sugar first then coffee when using the same spoon not that anyone at work got the concept).

I could argue that that rogue piece of peanut butter ended up in the sandwich from the prep of my other days meal, I am not a professional sandwich shop employee who has to abide by food safety and cross contamination guidelines, I can lick the peanut butter off the knife then cut another sandwich into half moments later, hell I rarely did the first part and would cut both sandwiches with the same knife leaving trace amounts of Nuttella, peanut butter or whatever was last on the knife.

I now fully retract my stance on the 'hidden' piece of peanut butter being classed IMO as a trap, having given a few plausible excuses of how it could end up in a 'nut free' sandwich, originally I had it as a 'trap' as although food safe, it was not something anyone could see without taking the whole thing apart, unlike an obviously slathered PBJ.

If I bring in lunch it's because my intention is to eat lunch, not leave it as a 'trap' for someone who could die due to that 5p sized smear of peanut butter that dropped on the way between my other sandwich or was cut using a knife that still contained peanut butter.

I only brought in one sandwich, I didn't bring in two (unless I always brought in two) knowing I would loose one, because then I might also loose both.

Not a trap
Sloppy food prep that causes cross contamination of products that are food safe for the intended person.

Buying some form of prawn salad picking out the prawns as I don't like them whole and putting it in the fridge with my name on it.
Now this one is a bit dicey, I would not buy a prawn salad to toss half the contents away, but say there is some salad on the market which has just a few and I like the rest but they don't sell it without prawns.
Prawns wont kill me so tossing them out is fair, but they are no longer visible in the store bought tub and the product name isn't PRAWN SALAD but something else maybe even with an unpronounceable name like my previous #82 from the Thai takeaway. Prawns would only be seen if the thief took the time to read the ingredients.
[see foot note]

Oh I could pick them out at my desk, but I might buy it on the way home for tomorrow and decide to get rid of them and feed them to a hypothetical pet rather than a bin.

Same prawn salad turned into a smoothie or salad sauce for the next day, I can eat prawns I just cant eat them when whole.
I am doing this at home so I don't have to worry about contamination of any work place kitchen equipment.

Any food that is fine for me store bought or home made that you just disagree with.
This includes #82's with peanut oil or mushed up seafood.

At the end of the day you die eating my food, too bad so sad.
I've not poisoned it or secretly added allergens to an otherwise safe piece of food. It was fit for human consumption (me).



Traps
Originally my small piece of peanut butter resided in this column, but as you say in one breath "if you were going to eat it its ok" then end your post with "you know they are allergic so why did you bring in food that could harm them" we are back to "you know X is a vegan so why did you bring a chicken sandwich?"
BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO EAT A FUCKING CHICKEN SANDWICH.

It's not a pot luck, I am not bringing in food to share, if I was I would be careful about allergies or just not bother.

Taking an egg brush and coating bread, fruit or other meals with peanut oil.

Rolling an apple around a bag of peanuts.

Wrapping a Snickers in a Mars bar wrapper.

Any other method to get trace amounts of allergens deliberately added to a store bought meal that otherwise would not have peanuts / other by their recipe.
If it's in a Tupperware container it's now classed as home made and all bets are off.

Anything that renders said food not fit for human consumption, if I wont eat my lunch why did I bring it in in the first place?



Now when it comes to packaging, in the UK we don't normally go for those brown bags you see on TV, cling film, Ziploc bags or a plastic shopping bag tied up with a name clearly written on it and each individual content sufficed. So we don't have the layer of mistakes were made grabbing the wrong brown bag out.



Footnote
I recently watched an anthology movie on YouTube, some VIP, Royalty of some fictitious country was giving the stewardess a hard time, there were only 4 people on the flight including crew, yet it was a full sized passenger plane.
She was served her meal and said "I don't want this, give me what you are having"

She looked at her diet plan and you could see sea food allergy (barely see it in 360p with artefacts), yet her meal had prawns, as she was being a bitch to her she took the prawns out and served it.

What she should have done was say "I'm sorry all we have for the crew is prawn noodles, I can bring your old food back."

where pissy VIP would have some choices
Accept her original meal
Do without (I originally wrote starve but it wasn't a case of you must eat or you will die)
Insist on the prawn noodle meal having the prawns removed, but only after signing a waver that explicitly stated she knew there used to be prawns in the meal and she has an allergy but is willing to eat it regardless.

Some allergens are just aversions (like my whole prawn/shrimp) and you read about people saying they are deathly allergic to X so the kitchen staff do a full clean down of the prep area to make sure this one meal is X free and serve it, only for the allergic customer to then add X themselves later.
It's normally Gluten free fadders who get all "I could die" on the wait staff, then asks where their side of garlic bread is.

Sometimes its Tomatoes then they see more ketchup on the plate than in the bottle, but it has been stated that raw tomatoes can cause issue, but processed tomatoes don't.

To the server it just makes you look like a fussy eater and should the kitchen staff find out, the next time they have to clean down they might just say fuck it.

Pissy princess on the air plane might have just been like me with regards to prawns, but the stewardess should not have served her the meal erring on the side of caution, but in context it was akin to scenes in movies where food is returned to the kitchen spat on, dandruff laced and stuffed down someone's arse crack.

[TheHuckster]

the thing is, you still have to prove their intent was for the person to EAT it.

True. I'm speaking on purely objective moral terms. Just like with anything, it's hard to prove intent in things like this, but I know if I did something like this with the intent of getting back at the thief, and the thief ended up in the hospital clinging for their life, I'd feel pretty fucking terrible about myself.

If, somehow, you were able to find evidence that someone made the sandwich with the intent of getting someone sick, then it could be considered a premeditated crime. But you and Mr Hero are right in that legally speaking it would be hard to prove premeditation unless someone idiotically posted their intentions on Facebook or something (which, from prior stories I've seen, I wouldn't rule out).

When does it become a trap?

It becomes a trap when your decision to make the sandwich was consciously made for the purpose of setting it as a trap. Because in the scenario we are talking about, you know who is stealing your food AND you know that thief has an allergy, and you consciously chose a passive aggressive move that could kill the thief, when the correct thing to do is confront the thief.

If the little voice inside your head says, "I hope that thief steals this thing and gets a nasty surprise" that's when it is a trap. It's as simple as that.

Again, all of the scenarios you are bringing up where you bring a sandwich for yourself and intend to eat it without getting someone else sick, that's not what I'm talking about.

[Ginger Tea]

I had to push for clarification as anyone saying its a bad thing never actually said out of my options posted prior were what they would consider bad when I saw them as good/ethically neutral.

Seriously; tampering with your food (even if it's just including a known allergen that you can and will eat) is just plain pants on head stupid.

No back up as what was considered tampering offered in that post and another post stated it was criminally wrong but offered nothing in context.

Granted this one was before my latest post with more options, but what is the difference between me adding lemons to a dish or cucumber? "Oh one co worker is allergic to citrus but only if they eat it." well this dish tastes better with lemons and it's for me not that person.

I listed plenty of what I saw as wrong, but I also stipulated that all food unless bought at a shop on the way to work, was prepped at home by me for me, at home I am not governed by any food hygiene regulations I had to abide by at my old job (even though the food I handled was sealed just as those cook in the box ready meals are in supermarkets once out of the card board box).

Every day that the OP's food has gone missing is a day they intended to eat food, should they opt to bring in peanut butter or do as I did often and make two days sandwiches at once and cut the ham with peanut coated knives, we aren't going out of the way to taint jack shit.

100% of the food I bring in is food I intended to eat else what's the point? My hypothetical work place has no bans on certain food types, I bring in pork it's not to piss off the Muslim or Jewish co-workers off, its because I fancied pork that day.

Should there be a ban I'm not risking my job by bringing in Anchovies that Dave is allergic to, no Anchovies means no Anchovies, if its store bought I might do my shopping after work so I can check thoroughly and not accidentally bring some in cos I was in a rush to work and didn't check the label thoroughly. Yes only I am meant to be eating it, but if work says NO Anchovies, then I am in the wrong by accident.
If they don't ban food but say label allergens I will label them, but I would probably list every one going even if they are not present, as its quicker to print out a dozen identical sheets than do one at a time with the specific contents bolded.



But nothing has really been said about the office policy for food allergens, yes one or two said you can suffer just smelling something. But even Seshat's post didn't even hint as to their work place accommodating them in anyway or if it is all on them to make sure their food doesn't mingle in the fridge.

If I'm not breaking office policy then nothing I bring in in a Tupperware container or home made sandwich could be classed as tainted if I am able and willing to eat it.

If I bring in a store bought salad and the seal is obviously broken, you have no guarantee that I haven't added anything I wanted as an extra, I might have squirted some lemon juice to add to the taste, or I might have just had a nibble prior to starting work.
It's clearly been opened at some point.

However should I add Lemon juice to a salad that I had painstakingly pried the label off and resealed so you couldn't tell without really looking, that is wrong, that is the same level as a Snickers in a Mars bar wrapper or dropping random peanut M&M's in a resealable bag of plain ones.



So it's proving intent, I am going by your post in the clear bringing in peanut butter sandwiches or even the ham one cut with a knife last used to spread peanut butter. I am after all the one who's stomach is looking forwards to that ham salad sarnie.



Here is my hypothetical

There is no policy at work with regards to allergies aside from please keep it in a sealed container or Ziploc, I'm doing that.

So the only way it becomes intent is if I start mouthing off that I'm going to start adding allergens to my food. If I say nothing and just keep on bringing in food that may or may not disappear daily I can bitch about its disappearance, but so long as I don't say anything about getting back I am in the clear?



So now I'd like to see more on the post about loosing a job due to someone eating my sandwich, would any of the 'in the clear' methods posted find me out of a job due to a death?

Food goes from the fridge, not always mine, all named, there is no policy regarding allergens and I have not mouthed off about getting back at someone, I've just bitched about having no lunch again.

EG

FFS! If I wanted to be out money and food I would have given my lunch box to the first big issue vendor I saw, hell id have even asked the c**t what s/he preferred on the way in.

I might get in trouble for swearing but nothing is said about "next time I'm gonna lace everything with X and stick the ham down my pants."

So food does go missing, no one is saying or doing anything about it, at least not visibly, food is still going missing a week later, as does my its part of the recipe allergen food.

So where does my employer come in firing me for my food if they have no policy in effect the day before and after Mr. Peanut is found dead on the shitter?
I've not mouthed off saying I'm going to do something to my food.

Or would I be in the clear as I've said nothing incriminating and done nothing illegal its just an unfortunate incident where he played Russian roulette with the fridge and lost.

EDIT: between me originally opening this to start typing and looking at other sites and doing other stuff I didn't notice an edit until I was far into it, I only saw it back tracking to get Seshat's name

It becomes a trap when your decision to make the sandwich was consciously made for the purpose of setting it as a trap. Because in the scenario we are talking about, you know who is stealing your food AND you know that thief has an allergy, and you consciously chose a passive aggressive move that could kill the thief, when the correct thing to do is confront the thief.

Bold emphasising the edit, I've spent time deleting paragraphs in prior posts hence why I said I may have come across as strong before, those posts may have been edited out before submission, but I did at one point have a very confrontational post (not confrontational to members here), where I would probably not be able to hold my tongue and I would probably be out of a job for offering to feed them their own nuts to see if testicle come under nut allergies.

I'm more the loudly proclaim "If it aint your food don't fucking eat it." kind of guy, if it gets me in the office I will state that food has been going missing and I might have even taken up the issue before, its rare I go full loud mouth on the first instance, yes I'll bitch that my foods gone, it happened before at my old job, price of the sandwich was £2.20 so I went for a skive somewhere for however long that was compared to my hourly wage then make some sly dig in the supervisors office that we feed them for free even taking an employee off their job to make sandwiches and its still not enough if they will delve into a Tesco bag and take my chicken and bacon club with my name on it.

[TheHuckster]

So the only way it becomes intent is if I start mouthing off that I'm going to start adding allergens to my food. If I say nothing and just keep on bringing in food that may or may not disappear daily I can bitch about its disappearance, but so long as I don't say anything about getting back I am in the clear?

As far as provable intent, yes. You'd have to make some statement prior. However, intentions can still be in one's own thoughts without saying anything. The only difference between thinking about your intentions and declaring them is in the former, you and only you truly know what you wanted to do (e.g. cause an allergy attack on a known food thief) and thus you'd almost certainly get away with it.

What I'm saying is, just because you get away with something doesn't make it right.

I'm more the loudly proclaim "If it aint your food don't fucking eat it." kind of guy, if it gets me in the office I will state that food has been going missing and I might have even taken up the issue before, its rare I go full loud mouth on the first instance, yes I'll bitch that my foods gone, it happened before at my old job, price of the sandwich was £2.20 so I went for a skive somewhere for however long that was compared to my hourly wage then make some sly dig in the supervisors office that we feed them for free even taking an employee off their job to make sandwiches and its still not enough if they will delve into a Tesco bag and take my chicken and bacon club with my name on it.

You just made my point. When someone is doing something that you don't like, you should confront the person about it rather than find their weakness and use it to cause life-threatening harm upon them, regardless of whether you'll "be in the clear" or not.

[Andara Bledin]

No back up as what was considered tampering offered in that post and another post stated it was criminally wrong but offered nothing in context.

I'm not sure how the context isn't obvious, to be honest.

Seriously, if you're bringing food you want to eat because you're going to eat it regardless of what other people might or might not do, this discussion is not about you and defending yourself is a waste of everybody's time.

If you're making or altering food specifically because another person might take it, then this is about you and you're opening yourself up to a world of liability as opposed to putting on your big person pants and dealing with the problem in a mature manner.

*note: "you" is generic, but it's a binary option for those who bring their food, so they'll either being in column "mature enough to handle conflict in a mature manner" or column "passive aggressive fool"

[Ginger Tea]

In the case of my missing food, I didn't know who did it, it was gone, but I did say to my supervisors that it had gone, especially as we gave them free food, sandwiches at first break and a cooked meal at lunch.

I sometimes worked all day or started late and when the late shift break came along we didn't get any sandwiches made for us, nor were there any kept by from the first break, if I didn't buy food I starved.



One time I did see someone take my food, we were all in the break room and one guy took a piece of a scotch egg that was on the counter, he didn't take it out of the fridge he saw it out in the open and thought it was fair game (even though it was from a shop and not what we used for deliveries) I got up and checked the fridge, yep mine wasn't there ergo that one was mine.

I went off on the whole room, the guy eating a piece wasn't seen taking it out of the fridge and ditching the label that had my name on it, he saw one scotch egg from an open twin pack, someone at some point in the day had taken it out and scarfed the first one and left it out in room temperature for god knows how long.

I was on the first cooked lunch break, the 2nd found most of their food in the bin already I was pissed.

After a talking to I was told to not let it happen again, well if my food isn't stolen I would have no reason to, I even said "Why do we give them free food at break? let them bring their own in." the idea was shot down, nope they would rather keep on feeding thieves and didn't even have a staff meeting about it.

Nope the closest they got to a telling off was me calling random people who may not have even seen who took my scotch egg a bunch of c**ts and me throwing perfectly good food away.

So when the 2nd lunch started and found little of interest I point blank told em I thew some of the good shit away and why.

If I cant eat, you cant eat.

I was in charge of the reheating of spare stock and the next day I got the stuff ready and just wheeled the containers into the supervisors office and said "I've don't all I'm gonna do get some c**t to cook it."

[Ginger Tea]

Seriously, if you're bringing food you want to eat because you're going to eat it regardless of what other people might or might not do, this discussion is not about you and defending yourself is a waste of everybody's time.

If you're making or altering food specifically because another person might take it, then this is about you and you're opening yourself up to a world of liability as opposed to putting on your big person pants and dealing with the problem in a mature manner.

It's just that you and others had mentioned loosing their jobs and criminal liability and I wanted clarification as to what I consider innocent food and what you would consider a sackable offence should someone die taking food that is not theirs.

Some would say me bringing in a meal with allergens that X is allergic to is me trapping the food as X is known to take food, where as I say BS had the food not gone I would be eating it.
It's too easy to skew the 1st paragraph into the 2nd.


And each meal would be in what I classed prior as safe even with cross contamination being a factor.

Where's the line, who draws the line and what side of it am I on?

Lets say I've had X amounts of meals vanish as have others, I've brought seafood in before and you know what, no one has died whilst I ate in their presence, same with peanut butter. My meals are random between what I have in, what I buy ready made from the shops or if I get a take away on the way to an evening shift.

Say today is the day my food goes, I made two meals the night before and grab one at random, it goes, today s/he lives as its not their allergy but what if I picked up the other, random act should be in the clear even if he dies right.

But what if I decided for one reason or another to have nothing but their allergen for a week but my food never disappeared daily, in fact it was always random, my foods still there yay must have seen it wasn't good for them, or they just took someone else's food today and I just got off lucky and would have had it still no matter what it was, a week has almost gone by and my food remains, great hes got the idea that I'm peanut "butter erry day" lunch time comes nope its gone. Cue moments later hearing screams as they find his body in the shitter.

No one gets to dictate to me, or any other employee what we can nor can not eat unless it is specifically spelled out in policy.

So far no one has convinced me that I could be in the wrong, unless I prove intent by saying "I'm gonna get that fucker." or something else incriminating.

Right now should I be in this situation for real and someone were to die due to eating my home made food, my response is still too bad so sad.
Why should I be fired because someone else ate my food?
Peanut butter isn't poison, I would not have died eating it, nor would anyone else without peanut allergies.