Dakota Access Pipeline

[Akasa]

I'm seeing a lot of police abuse of peaceful protesters on land that isn't even technically part of the USA.

[Greenday]

The best part is they let the local town vote on it and they voted no.

So then they moved the pipeline to someone else's land and didn't ask if it was okay with them.

Why is the first group allowed to vote on it but not the second?

[Cia]

They're trespassing on private land and therefore are to be removed. How they are removed is entirely up to them.

I am so sick and tired of hearing about it. Oh, the poor, poor Lakota. How many of these "protesters" are professionals who have nothing to do with the Sioux beyond wanting to get their faces on tv?

If the tribe cared they should've gone to more than a handful of planning meetings. They had a chance to give the pipeline planners their two cents. Plus they make it out as if the entire population of North Dakota is Caucasian. It isn't. Many different races live there. And not as many of the tribal members as they make out are unhappy with it. They too just want to live their lives and not have to put up with all the mayhem and stupid shit going on.

It's a bunch of bull what's going on up there. Whiney, whiney, whiney with not so much as a hint as to how to reroute the pipeline nor suggestions on how to make it safer, easier and cost effective to get the oil from one place to another.

If they truly cared they'd try to help and come up with solutions instead of pulling illegal shit. They can cry me a river because none of them cared until it was to late.

[Kheldarson]

It's a bunch of bull what's going on up there. Whiney, whiney, whiney with not so much as a hint as to how to reroute the pipeline nor suggestions on how to make it safer, easier and cost effective to get the oil from one place to another.
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They don't have to give suggestions. That's not their job. That’s the job of the Corp of Engineers. And the big issue is that the US is in violation of standing agreements with native governments:

http://inter-american-law-review.law...sts-arent-oil/

We've treated our native population shamefully, so it's no surprise they'd eventually stand to fight.

[Greenday]

I am so sick and tired of hearing about it. Oh, the poor, poor Lakota. How many of these "protesters" are professionals who have nothing to do with the Sioux beyond wanting to get their faces on tv?

Perhaps if we didn't wipe so many of them out to begin with, they would have been able to put up more of a fight on their own.

[Daskinor]

This whole situation is a mess created by a handful of people looking to get a project going that will net the state government millions of dollars a year.

The point was to get the pipeline built quickly and along a path of least resistance. Every court battle, for every eminent domain fight takes time and money. And one failure could cause the whole project to be rerouted.

After quite a few failures they redrew the plan and moved it way to close to the native land. Close enough that it probably was on their land. Land they could not eminent domain away. The Iowa Utilities Board approved the pipeline the company expedited the construction plans. The goal was most likely to strong arm the native tribes to just take a payout.

The legality of everything going on there now is a quagmire of, this shit is going to need to hit the supreme court and its going to take forever. While the local government and the company in question just trying to make it happen. Because, what can the tribes actually do about it.

[Akasa]

They're trespassing on private land and therefore are to be removed. How they are removed is entirely up to them.

You're right. It is private land. It belongs to the native tribes.

[Daskinor]

You're right. It is private land. It belongs to the native tribes.

Its more than private land, but at the same time its not.

In some ways its like laying the pipeline along a small part of Canada, then going "What you going to do about it".

But the analogy fails because Canada has recourse, while the natives do not.

The reality of the situation is the Iowa Utilities Board and Dakota Access, LLC need to step down and let the Court Cases happen. But of course because of the complexity of the situation it's going to take well over a year.

[Kheldarson]

You're right. It is private land. It belongs to the native tribes.

Actually it's privately owned American land (it's a half mile off reservation property). Part of the issue is that the US has a treaty with the Sioux to basically consult the tribe if they're going to do anything in land that used to be owned by the tribe and might still have tribal artifacts on it. The tribe wasn't consulted in full.

The argument against them is that since the land is privately owned by US citizens (not the feds) that the requirement didn't stand.

The water pollution is also an issue, but that's not what they've based their case off of.

[AmbrosiaWriter]

Seriously? The pipeline got voted "NO" because there were HIGH concerns of pollution (particularly in the drinking water), so instead they're going to force it into the area where it's going to pollute native tribe's land instead and they're expected to just shut up and deal with it?

Fuck that shit. I'm so sick of all these damn pipelines. I've seen so many freaking pipelines causing all this trouble (my friend nearly lost a chunk of her backyard for a pipeline were the concern was that it was somewhat likely to just straight up EXPLODE, and it would've destroyed her land and her home!)

The more money and time we're wasting on infrastructure for a dying, nonrenewable resource that ends up polluting the area around it (with years, possibly DECADES to fix it, if we can at all) the more pissed off I'm becoming. We're causing so much damn damage for these money grubbing assholes.

[s_stabeler]

if nothing else, the likely pollution of tribal land means they really should be consulted.

[Gravekeeper]

if nothing else, the likely pollution of tribal land means they really should be consulted.

Now now, only white people get consulted.

That's why they moved it south into tribal land to begin with. -.-

[jackfaire]

If they truly cared they'd try to help and come up with solutions instead of pulling illegal shit. They can cry me a river because none of them cared until it was to late.

Exactly I mean the plans have been in the main office on Betelgeuse for 10 years now it's not our fault if they don't go there regularly to check and see if there might be anything going on that affects their planet.

We are talking about the Trans Galactic Highway Right?

[Akasa]

All Native Americans that had land effected got ballots sent to them to vote. So it's not like they had no clue.

And now it's moot.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watc...p-824491587812

[wolfie]

if nothing else, the likely pollution of tribal land means they really should be consulted.

Clearly you haven't been reading enough Dilbert. "Consult" is an amalgamation of "con" and "insult" - meaning the natives have definitely been consulted.