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  • How Obama's Public Option is going to screw the young people of America

    With the passing of the Public Option through the House of Representatives, the politicians in this country are going to be sticking the American young people with the largest bill for any government run program since the days of the Great Depression and all of the public works projects.

    Under this new bill, the Americans aged 25-36 will pay the largest premium for healthcare and will be expected to foot the bill for the remainder of the system

    http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the...iled-anal.html (Information on the new plan)

    The problem with this is multi-pronged:

    1. People in this age bracket are just either finishing graduate school or are in lower paying entry level jobs. Many of these people have significant debts and were counting on their income to help reduce some of that debt. Taking a percentage of that away, yet providing them with no significant benefit is going to hurt the ability of these young people to spend and stimulate the economy.

    2. There are signficantly more people in the baby boomer generation (who are not being mandated to contribute as much) and their healthcare will not be able to be sustained by the members of Generation Y.

    3. It is mandatory for employers to provide some sort of healthcare for all of their employees (if their company is above a certain size and the employee contributes to their healthcare). With the public option, less people will feel the need to work in order to maintain insurance coverage. This will put additional pressure on the workers already paying into the plan.

    4. The public health option will drastically reduce the quality of care because hospitals and clinics will be overrun by individuals who now are able to seek healthcare for the first time.

    On a personal note, the government has consistently punished people who wish to better themselves and become successful through their own sacrifices and hard work. Any time a Democrat controls the White House or Congress (or both), hard working American people are flogged within an inch of their lives asking for more and more money to support pet projects and pork barrel spending. These programs are reducing the incentives of the American people to go and better themselves and is leading to the slow death of the American work ethic. For example, I chose to enroll in graduate school and am financing the education myself through loans and some savings. I went to apply for financial aid and was rejected saying that I am still a dependent on my parents simply because I spend more than 60 days at their residence. In addition, I was given $85 in state tuition assistance from the TAP funds. This barely buys a textbook let alone makes a dent in my tuition.

    I am tired of the government taking and taking and taking without giving anything in return. We need to stand up and fight for our rights to keep our money.

  • #2
    Originally posted by SteverinoNY! View Post
    We need to stand up and fight for our rights to keep our money.
    What are you going to do with it?

    Rapscallion
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Rapscallion View Post
      What are you going to do with it?
      They need it to pay for their health care deductibles under the current system.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rapscallion View Post
        What are you going to do with it?

        Rapscallion
        Or we need it to be able to do fundamental things to live, such as pay for decent housing, food, clothing, etc or to be able to pay off the massive personal debts that we racked up to improve ourselves rather that subsidizing the debts our government chose for us without giving a rat's behind about our opinion.

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        • #5
          I don't understand where this mentality of "Public health care will destroy the health system" comes from, we have public health care and contrary to what Today/Tonight would have us believe our health care system is pretty good.

          Here's another thing to look at, giving people access to health care when they didn't have it before can help prevent acute conditions from becoming chronic conditions, thereby lessening the number of people unable to work and lessening the long term burden on the healthcare system.

          But no one ever thinks about things like that, all anyone ever thinks about is OMG! they's taking my monies !!111!!11eleventy1
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Boozy View Post
            They need it to pay for their health care deductibles under the current system.
            And under the new system.

            Did you read the part that if you don't have health insurance, you can be fined up to $25,000 or thrown in jail for up to a year? Oh wait... you would only go to jail if you don't pay the "it's not a fine" extra tax for not buying insurance. This bill is a joke.

            Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

            • Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

            • Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

            I love how it's going to take nearly 4 years to get this started. I bet in 2014-2015, (bill is supposed to take effect in 2013 if it passes the Senate) the economy will tank and deficits will sky-rocket!! This isn't supposed to be a single-payer system to provide health-care for all. But everyone is going to pay into it.

            We all know I am against a single payer option in any form. But this half-assed attempt at a single-payer system could bankrupt America. If they want a single payer system, make it a true single payer system and stop wasting my time. If they really wanted to fix health-care, they would not have had a complete overhaul. They didn't fix anything, the replaced our current health-care system. This will more than likely fail. I'll be happy if it succeeds, but I'm not setting my hopes up for it.
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            • #7
              I am one of the 'working poor'. Which means I make just enough that I can not get any type of aid or help with my medical bills, but not enough to afford to get sick(or insurance). Missing a single day of work cost over $400 dollars, almost as much as I make the whole week. Top that off with a inherited disease AND diabetes, yeah even if I could possibly afford it no insurance is going to touch me.

              Now let me get this straight. I have to have insurance, and pay into it, probably paying for a lot of people that can not afford it (like myself). That means I actually get to have insurance though...right? Since now I have to go to the doctors on a regular basis, insurance is a good thing. Certainly can't afford it as it is. So, I can't afford it either way..at least one way I actually might have insurance.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SteverinoNY! View Post
                4. The public health option will drastically reduce the quality of care because hospitals and clinics will be overrun by individuals who now are able to seek healthcare for the first time.
                I'm just curious as to what these people are supposed to do without access to health care? Cross their fingers and hope for the best?
                I don't understand the mentality that health care is something that should be restricted at all. I am a liberal, I openly and proudly admit that, I also believe that health care is a right not a privilege. One of the tenants of a first world country is good accessible health care.

                These people already exist, its not like they materialised out of thin air and are most likely already using the health care system.
                They are either racking up bills so high they have no hope of paying them (and declare bankruptcy) the number one cause for personal bankruptcy in the states is medical debt. Then the hospitals get no money and people with insurance pay for that in higher fees.
                Or they go without, they live in pain, they die earlier.

                I currently don't have access to the Canadian health care system. I pay $150 a month for private medical insurance that is for emergencies only(and then only up to $100,000). That means ALL of my doctors visits are paid in cash, it means my asthma medicine is charged at full retail value and it aint cheap. It means I have been putting off a test that is months overdue because we literally can not afford the lab fees. A test that I need to have. It means I haven't been on certain medications I am supposed to take everyday because I can't afford it. They are not life threatening but they make my life much much easier to live. Everyday I worry about that shit, because what the hell am I supposed to do if something goes wrong.

                I'm not trying for pity, I'm just trying to illustrate that these people without insurance aren't just strangers, they are your friends, your relatives. My BF's mother had a brain tumor removed earlier this year, if she was in the states without insurance what is she supposed to do.... die painfully because her family didn't have insurance?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SteverinoNY! View Post
                  Under this new bill, the Americans aged 25-36 will pay the largest premium for healthcare and will be expected to foot the bill for the remainder of the system

                  1. People in this age bracket are just either finishing graduate school or are in lower paying entry level jobs. Many of these people have significant debts and were counting on their income to help reduce some of that debt. Taking a percentage of that away, yet providing them with no significant benefit is going to hurt the ability of these young people to spend and stimulate the economy.
                  Hate to break it to you, but people in this age bracket always pay the most. Why because that is the age group that gets married, has kids, is fairly active, etc. And alot of these things are supposedly expensive. At least that's how they explain why we pay the highest premiums. So saying it's right, but that's how it's explained to me

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kiwi View Post
                    I'm just curious as to what these people are supposed to do without access to health care? Cross their fingers and hope for the best?
                    "Well, if they're going to die, then do it! And decrease the surplus population!"

                    Yeah, basically that's it.

                    I'm personally thrilled that some kind of public option has passed, and I'm wondering what's going to happen with the Senate now. I wish they'd just go whole hog with a single-payer system, but not in my lifetime.

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                    • #11
                      I would love to see single player system in my lifetime as well.

                      My family has been personally hurt when a loved one was denied the cost of a surgery because of a preexisting condition.

                      She had a miscarriage



                      I wholeheartedly believe that it is immoral for insurance companies to make a profit off people who they are supposed to help keep healthy. I honestly believe they would rather look for a loophole then shell out the money needed for major surgeries.

                      Yet, people believe that placing health insurance in government hands is a bad thing, that they are more likely to let us die then the health insurance companies.

                      Do yourself a favor, find your grandparents and ask what they would do without medicare.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Daskinor View Post



                        I wholeheartedly believe that it is immoral for insurance companies to make a profit off people who they are supposed to help keep healthy.
                        There will be subsidies. And you will have to buy into a plan and pay those same companies.

                        Obama has projected spending of right around $10 trillion dollars over the next 8 years. What's another $1 trillion?

                        The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the subsidies for health insurance coverage would cost $1.055 trillion over 10 years, to be offset in part by $167 billion in penalties paid by individuals and employers who fail to obtain insurance.
                        Even though he said,
                        Here’s what you need to know. First, I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits – either now or in the future. Period. And to prove that I’m serious, there will be a provision in this plan that requires us to come forward with more spending cuts if the savings we promised don’t materialize.
                        Let's see if he keeps his word. My money says he won't.
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                        • #13
                          I do believe that everyone should have some type of health insurance, even if it is basic. However, there has to be a better way than how it is now and what is being proposed.

                          At my work, they provide insurance. You pay a bit out of your paycheck and it covers you. Maybe every place of employment should offer something like that.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by AdminAssistant View Post
                            "Well, if they're going to die, then do it! And decrease the surplus population!"

                            Yeah, basically that's it.

                            I'm personally thrilled that some kind of public option has passed, and I'm wondering what's going to happen with the Senate now. I wish they'd just go whole hog with a single-payer system, but not in my lifetime.
                            I'm actually starting to wish they'd go that route, too. This whole argument over "public option competing with private sector" "setting up non-government, non-profits to compete with the insurance companies" "everyone required to purchase heath insurance with a few exceptions here and there" is giving me headaches. Add to that the fact that this stuff is only being done to placate grumblers who want to cry socialism and draw Joker pictures.

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                            • #15
                              What I want to know is, what exactly will be done to add capable doctors, nurses, techs, etc into the workforce so that patients can be seen in a timely manner?

                              They're not making it any easier to get into med school, you know... (easier financially, I should add). You'd think they'd focus some of that money into scholarships for would-be health care workers.

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