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[Wingates_Hellsing]

I never claimed not to be hypocritical... but considering the other side wants to force me to either be something I'm not or in extreme cases, wishes me to be put to death... I'll take my hypocrisy over their honesty.

How very grown up of you. I suppose admitting that you only want to protect the rights you like is better than denial. Congratulations! You're now exactly like them. Feel free to become part of the solution whenever you feel like it, we're kinda outnumbered as it is.

Oh and seeing as the other side would rather let me get raped and murdered in my own home than allow me to defend myself, and in extreme cases would want me locked up for life because I am who I am, I'd rather take some much-needed balance, for the good of everyone, over one group's selfishness.

[Amanita]

In regards to many issues, I'm Liberal. I believe in gay rights, I'm pro-choice, I believe in freedom of religion, and a social safety net that helps everyone who needs it, not just those with dependants. However, the liberals and I part ways very quickly when it comes to self defence- I believe the right to defend oneself and one's home is a diety-given right. Even if it means killing the home invader/rapist/whatever scum they are. Don't want to risk injury or death? Find another pastime besides mugging, rape, or home invasion. And I also veer strongly to the right in terms of capitol punishment. Sorry, but some people are just too far gone to be rehabilitated. Serial killers, rapists, and the like generally can't be fixed. So why should they not be put down like the animals they act like?

[smileyeagle1021]

Oh and seeing as the other side would rather let me get raped and murdered in my own home than allow me to defend myself, and in extreme cases would want me locked up for life because I am who I am, I'd rather take some much-needed balance, for the good of everyone, over one group's selfishness.

I won't argue with you on Liberals and gun control (which is what I assume you are referring to)... the extreme however that you mention that would like you imprisoned... I somehow doubt they are NEARLY as large of a group as the conservatives who think that I should at best go through "conversion therapy".
Hatred begets hatred... the conservatives wanted to start a culture war, well guess what, you reap what you sow.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

I won't argue with you on Liberals and gun control (which is what I assume you are referring to)... the extreme however that you mention that would like you imprisoned... I somehow doubt they are NEARLY as large of a group as the conservatives who think that I should at best go through "conversion therapy".
Hatred begets hatred... the conservatives wanted to start a culture war, well guess what, you reap what you sow.

Based on what? you've no real data on anything. Logic dictates that most people, whatever they are, are moderate. When it comes down to it, knocking us down to a one-party system is nothing short of a choice as to what freedoms we lose when the two party system, flawed as it is, still performs with quite acceptable progress, through compromise. It's impossible to make the situation perfect for everyone so the only truly noble pursuit is to make things as good as possible for everyone. That means fighting for rights you don't necessarily value.

Furthermore, one would think that someone of your overall maturity would be above the 'he started it' kindergarten argument, to say nothing of painting an entire group with the same brush.

[Nyoibo]

The only thing gained by turning the other cheek is two sore cheeks.

[smileyeagle1021]

to say nothing of painting an entire group with the same brush.

why, I've been painted with a brush all my life because I happen to prefer dick to vag... every male with that same tendency is painted with the same brush.
So please spare me the "oh how horrible of you to paint an entire group with the same brush" bullshit. As I've said before, what goes around comes around.

[crashhelmet]

why, I've been painted with a brush all my life because I happen to prefer dick to vag... every male with that same tendency is painted with the same brush.
So please spare me the "oh how horrible of you to paint an entire group with the same brush" bullshit. As I've said before, what goes around comes around.

So by your own justification, people are allowed to throw around stereotypes? Does this mean that the hate-mongering types that think that all homosexuals all sexual perverts and predators based on a small percentage of the population are justified as well?

I had been attacked a lot by skinheads/neo-nazis/racists rednecks when I was younger for being half-Mexican. I was considered a disgrace to my white skin. Am I now allowed to accuse all white people of being racists?

Where does it all stop?

Wingates is right. It's Kindergarten bullshit. If you're going to throw stereotypes around, you've got no right to bitch and complain if you get hit with a few yourself.

CH

[Talon]

why, I've been painted with a brush all my life because I happen to prefer dick to vag... every male with that same tendency is painted with the same brush.
So please spare me the "oh how horrible of you to paint an entire group with the same brush" bullshit. As I've said before, what goes around comes around.

That sounds like something Londo of Babylon 5 said.

Londo
They hate us, we hate them, they hate us back. So, here we are, victims of mathematics.

Sinclair
*Sighs* He never listens.

Here's a better one from Sheridan:

Fight your enemies without becoming your enemies.

Enough said.

[smileyeagle1021]

If memory serves, Londo became Emperor... he obviously did something right.

That said, after 5 years of being the "better man" all I've gotten out of it is people getting the impression that it is alright to walk all over me... as others have said, all turning the other cheek achieves is getting two bruised cheeks... and I don't intend to let the conservatives in this state go beyond bruising my cheeks (they've made it very clear in their actions they wish to do A LOT more than that).
Is it right to judge all conservative Christians (or even Christians in general) off of Utah Christians? No, it isn't. Don't like it? Well get off your asses and actually stand up to those within your church who have earned Christians the reputation as hate-mongers.
Within the homosexual community you will find very few fence sitters on pedophilia (the biggest brush we are painted with). You either are a pedophile or you absolutely detest them and are in the front row cheering when they are sentenced and are at every rally for laws increasing punishment of pedophiles. You would be hard pressed to find a gay person who says "I am not a pedophile, but it's not my problem." Why is it so wrong to expect Christians to stand up and say "I am not a homophobe and it's time we flushed out those who are."

We're working on cleaning our house, when are y'all going to start cleaning yours?

And Talon, I know that the point you are trying to make is that I will be miserable forever with this attitude, but my happiness was made forfeit the second I moved to Utah... there is NO way to move to this state and NOT become hate filled... it doesn't matter what side you are on, Utah will destroy you. I'm at peace with the fact that I will never know peace, that the best I can hope for moving out of this state is to not get worse.

[lordlundar]

If memory serves, Londo became Emperor... he obviously did something right.

Yeah, he grew up and stopped hating every Narn simply for existing. You might want to try the same.

To be honest, I did agree with you at one point when you kept being persecuted by everyone around you that holds a particular trait. But now all you've devolved into is spewing that every person you meet with that trait is all the same and undeserving of mercy.

Guess what? You just became the very thing that you're fighting against, and have become more of a detriment to your cause than a benefit.

My only advice to you is this: Take a page out of Londo's story and grow up.

[Fryk]

So Smiley, how many christians getting up off their asses would it take for you to reverse your opinion? One? Ten? One Hundred? What's the threshhold?

[smileyeagle1021]

So Smiley, how many christians getting up off their asses would it take for you to reverse your opinion? One? Ten? One Hundred? What's the threshhold?

I don't know, but it would be nice to hear it from more than 5 people (my upstairs neighbor, my boyfriend's mother, father, and sister, and my mother, who really is a gray area on whether or not she is a Christian anymore).
Fuck, if one PROMINENT Christian (the likes of Thomas Monson or Rick Warren) were to stand up and say "enough hatred and violence" would likely break the cycle. Until then my worldview is based on hearing one or two people who will tell me personally that they disagree with the hatred, but not hear a single one who will stand up publicly and say it.
Here's a challenge for you all, go to any Wasatch Front publication (sltrib.com, desnews.com or KSL.com), find a story involving gay rights, and see what Christians in Utah feel about us, and you'll understand exactly why I am full of hate.

Besides, hate is the only thing that keeps me alive. Without it there would be depression. Hate is what motivates me to study just a little bit longer, to work just a little bit harder on homework, to save up money. Hatred of this place and it's people makes going to school and knowing that is the tool to get the fuck out of this place, more bearable. When I'm out of this cesspool, then and only then can I work on "growing up", until then, I'll let the hatred flow through me and give me strength.
And before you ask, yes, hate and depression are the only options for me... there is no way I can be happy in a place where a politician can say that "gay people are the greatest threat to our nation that we have ever faced, they are vile amoral people" (how nice of him to at least call us people) and not only get reelected but have a massive boost in approval rating. I love all the people who are in LIBERAL cities who have never seen the ugly face of rampant conservatism, commenting on how it can't possibly be that bad and all one needs to do is be a better man and it will all be better. Spend five years in Utah and that will change.

[HYHYBT]

Fuck, if one PROMINENT Christian (the likes of Thomas Monson or Rick Warren) were to stand up and say "enough hatred and violence" would likely break the cycle.

Never heard of Thomas Monson until just now, but I'm pretty sure some have.

Besides, hate is the only thing that keeps me alive. ... When I'm out of this cesspool, then and only then can I work on "growing up", until then, I'll let the hatred flow through me and give me strength.

I hope you are able to move soon.

[Fryk]

How about six more? My mom, my dad, my sister, the pastor of my mom and dad's church in california (she was a lesbian), the pastor of the church myparents go to now, my mother in law, and the four people who do an internet radio show with my father in law. Oops, that's ten.

[smileyeagle1021]

Never heard of Thomas Monson until just now, but I'm pretty sure some have.
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http://thomasmonson.com/

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