Arizona's Immigration Bill

[Hobbs]

She was quoting him, as if you are in Mexico with out papers your screwed... but he has no issue with migrants coming from his country here illegal, and he so much as said it.



But he has a problem when our states make it harder.. see what is wrong with this picture

I see a world leader condemning a human rights violation. Nothing wrong there.

[Hobbs]

The two of you need to take it down a notch or you'll get the thread closed.

Gotcha Boozy.

[daleduke17]

AZ is responsible for CUTTING THE GODDAMN POWER.

You're wrong AGAIN, dale!

LA doesn't want to do business with Arizona companies. And it is Arizona's fault for the lights going out? LA just said "we are boycotting Arizona companies". The city of LA doesn't want to take care of their citizens. Every councilperson who voted for the boycott need to be voted out of office in the next election that their seat is up for.

As far as the Arizona businesses, they should be commended for making the City of LA either put up or shut up.

[Hobbs]

LA doesn't want to do business with Arizona companies. And it is Arizona's fault for the lights going out? LA just said "we are boycotting Arizona companies". The city of LA doesn't want to take care of their citizens. Every councilperson who voted for the boycott need to be voted out of office in the next election that their seat is up for.

As far as the Arizona businesses, they should be commended for making the City of LA either put up or shut up.

Yes, it is the fault that AZ will be cutting power to millions of families.

They just love human rights violations, it seems.

[Fryk]

Regarding LA vs Arizona, the thing is Power companies are businesses too. And if they're going to boycott businesses, then they shouldn't complain about loss of power. HOWEVER, it should be up to the POWER COMPANIES, not the state, to decide whether or not to cut off the city.

[tabbyblack13]

Do you realize that LA owns a part of the power companies that supply the power to the city? I doubt the companies will shut off power.

The issue with boycotting a state or city is that people have to support the boycott for it to happen. The last poll I saw over a week ago states that 52% of people in America supports this bill. I personally don't care about the boycotts. If I want to go somewhere I will. I don't care what the "state" thinks. What are they going to do?

[Hobbs]

People like to say, "See, 52%!!" But they forget to add, that leaves 48% who disagree with it.

[Fryk]

So the city owns businesses located in another state? Weird, but not the weirdest thing I've heard today. That would bring me back to the "politicians spouting off at the mouth" theory.

[Hobbs]

There are Hyundai plants in Alabama...Ford plants in Mexico...same difference.

[daleduke17]

Yes, it is the fault that AZ will be cutting power to millions of families.

They just love human rights violations, it seems.

How is it Arizona's fault?

[Kimmik]

I see a world leader condemning a human rights violation. Nothing wrong there.

Wait... if WE deport illegal immigrants then WE violate human rights? But if Another Country does it is ok?

Name one blasted country where it is ok to illegally immigrate to.. besides here?
Britain... nope
Mexico... Nope
Brazil.. nope
Spain... nope
Canada... nope
Germany... Nope
France... Nope

Every Country has laws about immigration. NO one is above the law... why should people who do not want to legally come here be given special treatment?

I am all for LEGAL Immigration.. I am for people becoming citizens and being proud of their heritage.. but blending in to the melting pot that is the US.. But why is it a human rights violation to not want criminals to get a free pass?

If you violate the law.. no matter how noble your intentions you still are guilty of a crime.

[crashhelmet]

The Human Rights violations are not in the desires to deport illegal immigrants. The Human Rights violations are in the illegal acts of unlawful detainment when a citizen or legal resident can't prove their status immediately upon demand.

There is no law in the state of Arizona or the United States itself that states that you MUST carry proof of citizenship with you at ALL times.

Truck Drivers, Tourists, and state residents alike all have to fear being arrested and fined upto $2500.00 if they fail to provide proof of citizenship.

So.... Imagine you're driving through their great State and get pulled over for speeding. You missed that speed limit change from 55 to 45 and a cop pulled you over. License, Registration, proof of insurance, and proof of citizenship please. What was that ? You've got everything but proof of citizenship? I'm sorry. The new law says you have to goto jail and pay this fine.

But... But.... I'm a U.S. Citizen!!!! Not without proof.

CH

[Hobbs]

Wait... if WE deport illegal immigrants then WE violate human rights? But if Another Country does it is ok?

Name one blasted country where it is ok to illegally immigrate to.. besides here?
Britain... nope
Mexico... Nope
Brazil.. nope
Spain... nope
Canada... nope
Germany... Nope
France... Nope

Every Country has laws about immigration. NO one is above the law... why should people who do not want to legally come here be given special treatment?

I am all for LEGAL Immigration.. I am for people becoming citizens and being proud of their heritage.. but blending in to the melting pot that is the US.. But why is it a human rights violation to not want criminals to get a free pass?

If you violate the law.. no matter how noble your intentions you still are guilty of a crime.

It is illegal to detain an American citizen on the sole basis of his/her ethnicity. That is a human rights violation. As the article about the trucker (cited in the first few pages) demonstrates, despite promises not to racially profile, it has and will occur.

When you criminalize people for living, you go down a dark and dangerous path. There are laws that bind men; and laws that set them free.

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 242
§ 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

[daleduke17]

And, Hobbs, what is that clipping from? If you're going to arbitrarily pull excerpts from somewhere, show us where you got it, or it doesn't give any credibility.

So, Hobbs, are you for or against any kind of control on illegal immigration?

[Hobbs]

And, Hobbs, what is that clipping from? If you're going to arbitrarily pull excerpts from somewhere, show us where you got it, or it doesn't give any credibility.

So, Hobbs, are you for or against any kind of control on illegal immigration?

It's the US Code...y'know, the LAW