Born in the US but denied citizenship?

[jackfaire]

Where does that leave those who reach 18 without passing the test? They cannot logically be classified as *any* kind of immigrant if they were born here (and especially if their parents are citizens) so what are they?

The citizenship test they give now is similar to the social studies tests given in school.

[jackfaire]

Legal immigrants pay taxes like you or me so they like us already are paying for it.

If your goal is to stop parents from being able to stay here because of their kids you have two options

1) Take custody of the child away from the parents and then kick them out.

2) Don't give the kid citizen ship and send him back with his parents.


Otherwise they get to stay too.

[Greenday]

"Pay for it!?" Seriously? I mean, seriously?

Why don't you pay for it then? Why should you get a free ride?

I do. It's called taxes and tolls.

[Kimmik]

If one or both parents are a citizen child is a citizen...
If no parent is a citizen child takes the status of the parents.

that is what the federal law should say... how ever because it says whoever is born on US soil is a citizen... Arizona is in the wrong and will be bitched slapped for it.

[Greenday]

Arizona is in the wrong and will be bitched slapped for it.

As California has shown, the federal government will take forever to respond.

[Kimmik]

As California has shown, the federal government will take forever to respond.

It depends are you talking about Cali legalizing pot for medical reasons?

[Arcade Man D]

I do. It's called taxes and tolls.

Legal immigrants pay those, too. So why should they pay extra after they already payed a huge amount going through the legal immigration process?

[Greenday]

Legal immigrants pay those, too. So why should they pay extra after they already payed a huge amount going through the legal immigration process?

Pay for the education. Your post had two lines. My post had one line responses for your lines. They match up.

[Arcade Man D]

Pay for the education. Your post had two lines. My post had one line responses for your lines. They match up.

The legal immigrants are already paying the exact same school taxes you are (assuming similar housing assessments). Why should they have to pay an extra tuition for school when you don't? Legal immigrants should have every right of citizens short of voting, and every responsibility short of drafting. Illegal immigrants should still have the basic human rights. Basically, the same setup we have now.

[Red Panda]

My grandparents barely had a middle school education between the both of them. Both loved their country (USA) and my grandfather served his country in the Army during WWII-a time when he was discriminated against. He and my grandmother paid poll taxes to exercise their AMERICAN RIGHTS in the 1950s. He worked as a civilian worker at Kelly AFB for over thirty years. If anyone says he and myself, and my family...most of whom have served this country ADMIRABLY need a damned test to be considered good enough, then they can go stuff themselves.

Where does that leave those who reach 18 without passing the test? They cannot logically be classified as *any* kind of immigrant if they were born here (and especially if their parents are citizens) so what are they?

If either one of you had read Greenday's posts you would have seen that he posted military service as being an alternative to the test.

I actually like this idea. If people have to earn the rights of America maybe they will apreciate them more and put more effort into voting. Might even make some people pay more attention in school.


As for the Arizona law, I guess it is technically illegal even though I agree with it. I think the best alternative would be to deport the parents and put the child in foster care. While this would be a burden on the foster care system hopfully the threat of seperation will act as a deterent to illegals who want to have kids in America. They should go as far as to change the child's name and destroy any documents that could lead the parents back to the child to ensure the child is lost to them forever.

[AdminAssistant]

They should go as far as to change the child's name and destroy any documents that could lead the parents back to the child to ensure the child is lost to them forever.

So that the child could never know where he came from, and, more importantly, have their family's medical history?

[Dips]

Really? The same way people born in other countries receive citizenship in America: taking a test for it. Military service wouldn't be a horrible second option.

Theoretical: I was born in US but under your system I haven't yet earned my citizenship. Let's say I couldn't serve in the military and flunked the citizenship test. So I don't ever earn my right to become a citizen. What would happen to me?

[Red Panda]

They could easily expand the definition of military service that anybody could serve, even if all they do is mop floors all day. They could even set it up that you could request a "special assignment" in the case that your family has a farm for example and they can't afford to replace you so you spend the majority of your service working on the farm, although still answering to your superior officer.

So that the child could never know where he came from, and, more importantly, have their family's medical history?

They could get the medical history before deporting the parents. As for the child, they could be told that their parents were criminals who didn't love them enough to become a citizen. Cruel but true.

[KnitShoni]

They could get the medical history before deporting the parents. As for the child, they could be told that their parents were criminals who didn't love them enough to become a citizen. Cruel but true.

Yes, because it's always a good idea to tell a child his parents don't love him. It couldn't possibly cause more emotional issues for children who are already going to be hard to adopt because they're not cute white infants.

[Red Panda]

If the parents loved the child enough to become citizens the child would never have been taken away. I think that fact should be made clear. Illegal immigrants should be demonized for being law breakers who care about nobody but themselves.

Hopfully that kind of attitude will make the child realize that you have to work hard and follow the rules to get what you want in life.