Politics Affecting Professionalism

[Hobbs]

So, just because he has an opinion differing than your's, it is stupid?

No, he's stupid for letting his own political biases affect his duties as an officer in the US Army.

How is the birther movement bullshit?

Because it's founded on the fallacy that Obama isn't American, maybe?

You do realize there are different opinions out in the world, right? And your "Big Boss" is a worthless piece of Chicago garbage.

To borrow your own philosophy, just because someone doesn't promote your agenda, it doesn't make them "garbage." You do realize that we can't have a professional military that lets itself be swayed by civilian sensationalists, right?

[Wingates_Hellsing]

So, just because he has an opinion differing than your's, it is stupid?

How is the birther movement bullshit?

You do realize there are different opinions out in the world, right? And your "Big Boss" is a worthless piece of Chicago garbage.

I've already addressed exactly why the birthers are bullshit. They are, like most bullshit groups, an extremist political organization whose central problem with Obama is the fictional scenario in which he was born overseas and not in Hawaii. They're wrong, we've proven that they're wrong, and yet they still insist that it's true. Trying to spin it any other way just gets shit on the walls.

Now, the Tea Party, as much as I don't like they're rightward tendencies and vapid arguments, actually hold a debatable point. Their opinion, regarding smaller government and a focus on personal freedom is perfectly valid. I happen to agree on the personal freedom part, and support moderate government and thus also agree in that respect as well. The main thing being that they're an organization that advocates their opinion as an opinion, while the birthers merely advocate a farce as a fact. Can you guess which one's bullshit?

Now, I voted for Obama not because I thought he was perfect, or because McCain was crap (to say so would be immature in the extreme) because both men were at least to my consideration earnest politicians whose intent was to improve our country. However, I agreed with Obama on more points than I did McCain, so that's who I voted for (to say nothing of third party candidates although I did consider those that were on the ballot in my area and still, Obama FTW) and while there's been some hiccups on the way, he so far hasn't started any wars of given a massive group of depraved criminals total amnesty, whilst also endeavoring at least to get some compromise going in the areas he said he would. If that's not a decent way to be president, I guess I'll vote for Rambo next time.

[Arcade Man D]

How is the birther movement bullshit?

Because even if President Obama were not born in Hawai'i two years after it became a US state (even though we've already had sworn statements from a Hawai'ian judge and seen a photocopy of his Certificate of Live Birth, as Hawai'i did not use Birth Certificates in the 1960s), that only matters for jus soli citizenship. The United states uses both jus soli (by the land) and jus sanguinus (by the blood) citizenship. Obama's mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth (and still continues to be, though that is not pertinent to the matter), therefore, no matter where he was born, he would be a natural-born US citizen by jus sanguinus.

[Red Panda]

What the hell are you talking about Red? Do you even make relative posts here?

It was just a joke, I guess I'm the only Metal Gear fan on the board

[lordlundar]

It was just a joke, I guess I'm the only Metal Gear fan on the board

No, I got the joke, just probably not the best place for it, particularly without a smiley or sarcasm tag.

[Gravekeeper]

Yes, you do *not* bad mouth the commander-in-chief regardless of your personal beliefs and politics. Doesn't matter who it is. The military cannot operate if it cannot stand above political and personal opinion. It has to function as a whole.

Getting court martialed for anything related to the birther movement is just downright stupid though. >.>

However, I agreed with Obama on more points than I did McCain, so that's who I voted for.

Silly Wingates, you're not allowed to vote using reason or logic. Didn't you get the talking points memo? -.-

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Silly Wingates, you're not allowed to vote using reason or logic. Didn't you get the talking points memo? -.-

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[Hobbs]

Getting court martialed for anything related to the birther movement is just downright stupid though. >.>

Shouldn't be court-martialed? O_o

Here's what he's charged with:

ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

ART. 85. DESERTION
(a) Any member of the armed forces who--
(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently;
(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service; or
(3) without being regularly separated from one of the armed forces enlists or accepts an appointment in the same or another on of the armed forces without fully disclosing the fact that he has not been regularly separated, or enters any foreign armed service except when authorized by the United States; is guilty of desertion.
(b) Any commissioned officer of the armed forces who, after tender of his resignation and before notice of its acceptance, quits his post or proper duties without leave and with intent to remain away therefrom permanently is guilty of desertion.
(c) Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.

866. ART. 86. ABSENCE WITHOUT LEAVE
Any member of the armed forces who, without authority--
(1) fails to go to his appointed place of duty at the time prescribed;
(2) goes from that place; or
(3) absents himself or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty at which he is required to be at the time prescribed; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

887. ART. 87. MISSING MOVEMENT
Any person subject to this chapter who through neglect or design misses the movement of a ship, aircraft, or unit with which he is required in the course of duty to move shall be punished as a court-martial may direct

ART. 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION
Any person subject to this chapter who--
(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;
(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or
(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties;
shall be punished as a court-martial may direct

So, which of these shouldn't he be tried under?