How To Secede From The USA...

[Kheldarson]

*snerks*

Actually, yes, they did. And the founding fathers wrote that they didn't want to have to go to war. But once things start rolling...it's kinda hard to stop them.

[Rapscallion]

*snerks*

I'm glad you noted I wasn't entirely serious about this.

Rapscallion

[Kheldarson]

I love your humor, Raps. Reminds me of a few favorite professors.

[infinitemonkies]

I'd like to send a big thank you to Exiled for answering that for me, I've been wondering about it for awhile.

On the surface, it seems pretty hypocritical for a country founded on succession and armed revolution to outlaw such, but then, it was illegal when the founding fathers did it too. Just like it will almost certainly be illegal next time it happens.

[Red Panda]

In my opinion, this country is due for another one.

Every time somebody says America is going to have a civil war I point out that less then half of Americans can be bothered to vote, much less go to war. There will not be a civil war. At most a small group, that most people will call wack jobs, may try to fight the government and they will quickly fail.

[Kheldarson]

Depends on who your small group is. If it's upper class, you could get something fairly scarily effective.

[ExiledV20]

Your analysis completly ignores how modern warfare is conducted. The objective of any bombing operation, since Vietnam, has been the precise strike of strategic target while reducing the possibility of civilian casualties.

Officially, this is true. As can be seen in modern warfare, we ignore the Geneva Conventions when we find it convenient to do so.

You talk of "biological and chemical" agents. What group in the US is currently producing such agents?

The U.S. Army Biological Warfare Laboratories at Fort Detrick, Maryland. USAMRIID. NBACC. As for insurgent groups creating such, I refer you to Project Bacchus, investigated whether "would-be" terrorists could build an anthrax production facility and remain undetected. In the two-year simulation, the facility was constructed, and production of anthrax-like bacterium was successfully completed.

If anything, the first strikes of a "rebel" faction within the US would most likely take the shape of the Oklahoma City bombing, the first attack on the WTC or the recent attack on the IRS offices; fanatics attacking US government buildings, symbolic representations of authority or positions of influence.

If they were stupid, yes. That would be the appropriate acts for terrorism. They are not appropriate for the strategy of performing a coup d'etat.

[ExiledV20]

You seriously believe a rebellious force would attack civilians to make a statement towards the government? Attacking kids? Either you associate with the people that would plan such a horrendous attack or you have no clue how to fight a war.

I don't know where you get the whole "make a statement towards the government" from. You don't rebel to make a statement. Statements cause you to lose. You rebel to eliminate the government and replace it with your own. In such rebellions, attacking the families of political and military command is extremely common. I refer you to the most comprehensive study on the subject Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook by Edward Luttwak.

[Hobbs]

I don't know where you get the whole "make a statement towards the government" from. You don't rebel to make a statement. Statements cause you to lose. You rebel to eliminate the government and replace it with your own. In such rebellions, attacking the families of political and military command is extremely common. I refer you to the most comprehensive study on the subject Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook by Edward Luttwak.

As a student of military history, I can tell you that rebellions have never singled-out civilian targets in a revolt. They may have targeted military and political leadership, but that doesn't mean they bombed neighborhoods or civilian centers.

I also don't listen to people who rant that Obama, "..was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood"*

*Full article here

[Hobbs]

Officially, this is true. As can be seen in modern warfare, we ignore the Geneva Conventions when we find it convenient to do so.

That's a serious accusation, I hope you can back it up.

The U.S. Army Biological Warfare Laboratories at Fort Detrick, Maryland. USAMRIID. NBACC. As for insurgent groups creating such, I refer you to Project Bacchus, investigated whether "would-be" terrorists could build an anthrax production facility and remain undetected. In the two-year simulation, the facility was constructed, and production of anthrax-like bacterium was successfully completed.

That's the US MILITARY. You were talking about rebel factions. So in order to reach USAMRIID's stores, they would have to attack a military facility first.

If they were stupid, yes. That would be the appropriate acts for terrorism. They are not appropriate for the strategy of performing a coup d'etat.

No coup has ever been conducted by attacking large civilian centers. I'd like to see you produce proof of this. Otherwise, you're just spouting things you read in a book.

[crashhelmet]

I don't know where you get the whole "make a statement towards the government" from. You don't rebel to make a statement. Statements cause you to lose. You rebel to eliminate the government and replace it with your own. In such rebellions, attacking the families of political and military command is extremely common. I refer you to the most comprehensive study on the subject Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook by Edward Luttwak.

Attacking and wiping out a ruler's entire family, ala the Romanovs, might be. You take out anyone that has the Right of Succession to the throne or whatever in addition to the ruler themselves. However, how many true ruling monarchies or governments of this type are still in effect? Coups involve taking out the leader and their top officials. You eliminate the government to replace it with your own. You don't eliminate the civillians you wish to follow you. Your methods would be absolutely pointless and detrimental to your own campaign in this country.

CH