Is Germany heading back to where it was during Hitler?

[smileyeagle1021]

So, for those who aren't keeping up with German politics, This interesting article just recently surfaced, one of the more interesting quotes

"We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don't accept them don't have a place here," said the chancellor.

the country was being made "more stupid" by poorly educated and unproductive Muslim migrants with headscarves.

This on top of another article that 14% of Germans would welcome another Fuhrer.

Am I the only one who is disturbed by these two trends happening at the same time? Is anyone else seeing a similarity to pre-Hitler Germany, just swap out Jew for Muslim and the rhetoric is starting to sound very similar.

[blas87]

Actually, my father was telling me one of his......conspiracy theories from watching too much Fox News, comparing the Obama administration to that of the Nazi regime. Obama has Czars and the US keeps attempting extreme gun control, etc etc etc oh he went on and on. Sure, I think it's a little kooky, but if it is true, God help us all.

[Wingates_Hellsing]

Nazi is just German for nationalist which is just a fancy way of saying 'super conservative'. What people don't seem to realize is that the Nazi party still exists to this day, and it's only to be expected that some people would still agree with the platform.

I'd frankly be more surprised if there wasn't some portion of the population that liked the idea. There's certainly plenty of people stateside who're exhibiting typically WWII era American thinking what with all the overcompensating patriotism, isolationist ideology and fear mongering.

But really, those people were always there. At different times in history different relative viewpoints had their spotlight, but in the end, it really comes down to 'the more things change, the more they stay the same'. Same shit, different toilet.

[protege]

Actually, my father was telling me one of his......conspiracy theories from watching too much Fox News, comparing the Obama administration to that of the Nazi regime. Obama has Czars and the US keeps attempting extreme gun control, etc etc etc oh he went on and on.

I can see why some people might make that comparison. Think about it--some of the things Obama has said and done...do fit with what Hitler did. Obama's administration took over GM. Hitler did something similar with state-backed VW. Both made claims of "redistribution of wealth," putting people back to work, etc. Throw in the comments about gun control from Obama, and the Nazis making private firearm ownership illegal, and there you go.

I'm not saying that I *agree* with the comparison, but I understand why some people might think that way.

But, what's really troubling...is what's going on economically. When Hitler rose to power, Germany had been on the losing end of a four-year ass kicking. their cities were in ruins, their people jobless, and their currency worthless. Sound familiar?

[Wingates_Hellsing]

That's where they were when he rose to power, but when he did (thanks entirely to his economic adviser, really) Germany was transformed into quite the industrial power which is what made their extensive and sophisticated war machine possible in the first place. Of course, as soon as 'lil Adolf got displeased that guy got the sack and everything went sideways. Since we're talking about someone who also stood in the way of fielding the most formidable small arm of WWII as well as the pioneer of what would become the standard issue weapon of all modern fighting forces.

The important thing to remember here is that Hitler and the Nazi party weren't responsible per-se for the condition in which they rose to power. They did, in fact, succeed in rebuilding Germany into an effective state. What they then did with that state was what ultimately overstepped the bounds and lead to their demise.

[Rapscallion]

Interesting. Nazi is, if my teachers way back when were correct, a contraction of 'national socialist', so the redistribution of wealth and the like is initially a good grounds for comparison with Obama, but the eventual result in pre-war Germany was anything but socialist. In fact, since people are looking for comparisons to the US right now, I'd suggest those outfits over there that are demonising certain fringe groups as being more closely aligned towards nazi methodology.

It's a fairly standard technique - play upon the natural tribalism of humanity and you'll be able to get them to do all sorts of things. However, the groups that are doing that in the US, from what I can see, are usually the very right-wing groups.

Tea Party.

Tea Party.

Right wingers who wouldn't spit on Obama if he were on fire.

Tea Party Blogger.

Tea Party.

Couldn't happen in the US, could it? A massively populist organisation arranging peer pressure against a minority held in suspicion by many and seeks power through that in order to exterminate them and maintain power through fear? Surely some mistake.

Rapscallion

[crashhelmet]

Tea Party Blogger.
Rapscallion

This little bit made me break Rule #1

"First, Islam is NOT a religion, it is an ideology -- the religious portion only encompasses 11% (the qur'an) the rest is the Sira and Hadith and the closest parallel to Islam is the Ku Klux Klan -- if that is Six Flag's idea of 'appropriate' then by all means, hold your day on September 12th but don't plan on expanding any time soon because not only will we ensure that you don't grow, we'll make sure that your parks become a thing of the past."

Did she seriously relate Islam to the KKK? While they might be similar in the aspect that they hide behind their religious beliefs and nationalism to try and justify what they do, I don't think they'll be too happy to hear about it.

CH

[BlaqueKatt]

Did she seriously relate Islam to the KKK? While they might be similar in the aspect that they hide behind their religious beliefs and nationalism to try and justify what they do, I don't think they'll be too happy to hear about it.

Muslims or the KKK?

(remember the KKK denounced Westboro Baptist and Fred Phelps)

Though personally I'm really hoping the tea party just quietly goes away, along with all it's very vocal hate mongers....

[Racket_Man]

Interesting. Nazi is, if my teachers way back when were correct, a contraction of 'national socialist', so the redistribution of wealth and the like is initially a good grounds for comparison with Obama, but the eventual result in pre-war Germany was anything but socialist.

if memory serves me correctly it stood for (in German) National Socialist German Workers Party. it oringially started out as the Germans Worker Party prior to 1920 when Hilter came into the group. he basically stumbled into the group after being asked his army superiors to check up on the various political parties of the day after WWI. and the rest is history

the national socialist part was never really in the cards, the words were added in the early 1920's to attract a broader membership ie. nationalist and socialists.