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  • #1

    double standard

    just thinking about one of the other knee-jerk laws they're trying to invent following the Arizona shootings.


    we already know some politicians are trying to infringe on the 2nd amendment... but they're also targeting the First Amendment too.


    the weird thing is that they're trying to create laws they themselves have broken.


    The target: conservative talk shows/radio. I'll call it CTR for ease of typing.

    The claim: ... they're trying to blame CTR for the shootings, claiming that it hypes people up and makes them break laws, yadda yadda yadda.

    Yet ... the people who are pushing this law seem to have forgotten that THEY have specifically suggested lynching and killing political figures they dislike.



    Why the hell should it be OK for those politicians to suggest murdering citizens.... yet someone else DARE voice an opposing view on the air and now it's a fucking crime?



    It sounds more like they're supporting the Freedom of Speech - ONLY if your political views are ones they approve of. If you're a conservative you're a criminal.

    The only thing sadder is when citizens actually think this is somehow good.
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    What about the double-standard the "CTR," as you put it, are guilty of? Any time anyone from "The Left" made any negative comments about how badly Bush phukt up this country, or contested the legitimacy of the war, or his initial election as President, they were decried as traitors an un-American.

    Yet, it's perfectly acceptable for them to bash Obama, constantly question his religious views, his citizenship, and even try to compare him to Hitler.

    So what was that about a double standard?
    Some People Are Alive Only Because It's Illegal To Kill Them.

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    • #3
      1) disagreeing with someone, even bashing them is NOT the same as saying "we should go and lynch so-and-so". That's not even CLOSE.

      2) Obama is not a protected class nor above being criticized over what he's doing wrong. But if you want to go there... don't forget people attacked Bush too. (although Bush didn't complain nearly as much).
      Last edited by PepperElf; 01-18-2011, 09:54 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PepperElf View Post
        1) disagreeing with someone, even bashing them is NOT the same as saying "we should go and lynch so-and-so". That's not even CLOSE.

        2) Obama is not a protected class nor above being criticized over what he's doing wrong. But if you want to go there... don't forget people attacked Bush too. (although Bush didn't complain nearly as much).
        Wow.... Did you even read what I wrote? Lets' try it again.

        Originally posted by crashhelmet View Post
        What about the double-standard the "CTR," as you put it, are guilty of? Any time anyone from "The Left" made any negative comments about how badly Bush phukt up this country, or contested the legitimacy of the war, or his initial election as President, they were decried as traitors an un-American.

        Yet, it's perfectly acceptable for them to bash Obama, constantly question his religious views, his citizenship, and even try to compare him to Hitler.

        So what was that about a double standard?

        To put this simpler, I said that when the left attacked Bush, the CTR raised holy hell. Now, it seems to be perfectly acceptable for them to attack Obama. That sounds like a double standard to me.

        And oh.... The CTR attacked Clinton when he was in office before Bush, before you try a "they did it first" argument.
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        • #5
          To put this simpler, I said that when the left attacked Bush, the CTR raised holy hell. Now, it seems to be perfectly acceptable for them to attack Obama.
          And now the left raises holy hell about it.

          I see no double standard here, though.

          I DO however think that we shouldn't blame the tea party for what happened. The more I hear about it, the less it sounds to me like Loughner was coming from the right or the left. He wasn't far left, he wasn't far right, he was far out.
          "Nam castum esse decet pium poetam
          ipsum, versiculos nihil necessest"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by crashhelmet View Post
            What about the double-standard the "CTR," as you put it, are guilty of? Any time anyone from "The Left" made any negative comments about how badly Bush phukt up this country, or contested the legitimacy of the war, or his initial election as President, they were decried as traitors an un-American.
            Beat me to it. I still remember the uneasy feeling I got when I heard Bush say, "You're either with us, or with the terrorists."

            Either it's always OK to disagree with those in charge, or it's never OK. None of this "It's OK to disagree as long as it isn't with me" bullshit that both sides are guilty of.
            --- I want the republicans out of my bedroom, the democrats out of my wallet, and both out of my first and second amendment rights. Whether you are part of the anal-retentive overly politically-correct left, or the bible-thumping bellowing right, get out of the thought control business --- Alan Nathan

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            • #7
              People who are claiming that conservatives or their talk radio shows are to blame for the shooting is on the same level as Marilyn Manson being blamed for the Colombine shootings.

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              • #8
                Manson didn't release a poster with a crosshair symbol over Columbine High School.

                Although, I have heard people say that the shooter was also a hardcore gamer.

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                • #9
                  That was an idiot decision on Palin's part, but that doesn't mean it was foreshadowing or predicting anything happening, nor did it magically give the shooter his idea. As much as I dislike her, sorry, it's not Sarah Palin's fault this happened.

                  You have to bear in mind that in Palin's delusional mind, guns are just about the most important things there are, and she'll relate them to anything she can.

                  The shooter in this case is a very mentally disturbed individual, just like the Colombine shooters, just like the Virginia Tech shooter, just like the crazy Hmong guy who killed all the deer hunters in 2004 in Wisconsinland.

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                  • #10
                    Yes, the shooter was a psycho, of that there is no doubt. But they way Palin yanked things off her websites before she even started her political spin makes me think that even she knew what she had said and posted was out of line.
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                    • #11
                      The symbol Palin used on that map wasn't cross-hairs from a rifle scope but cross-hairs from a surveyors transom. In reality there's little difference but the symbol is a recognized surveyor's av. Now the map issued by someone on the other side did used a target although it appears to be an archery target. The left is just as guilty as the right of using military and violent metaphors.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tanasi View Post
                        The symbol Palin used on that map wasn't cross-hairs from a rifle scope but cross-hairs from a surveyors transom. In reality there's little difference but the symbol is a recognized surveyor's av. Now the map issued by someone on the other side did used a target although it appears to be an archery target. The left is just as guilty as the right of using military and violent metaphors.
                        Sarah Palin herself referred to the crosshairs as Bulls Eyes
                        Some People Are Alive Only Because It's Illegal To Kill Them.

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                        • #13
                          The target pictures would have seem harmless to me a month ago. They would have been seen the way they were meant - as a metaphor.

                          Only someone mentally disturbed would have interpreted those maps as "instructions".

                          I'm glad that this has prompted a discussion about the state of political rhetoric in America, but overblowing small things isn't helping. In fact, overblowing small things is high on the list of things that need to change about the current political discourse.

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                          • #14
                            I was of the opinion that politicicans and media pundits are among if not the single most hypocrytical people in the world. There are of course exceptions to this stereotype, however from what Ive seen, heard, and read there are very few and Id be hard pressed to find one.

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                            • #15
                              Who on the left has called for the murder of politicians?

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