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  • Obama: hating on small-town America?

    This has been pissing me off lately.

    For those who may not know, presidential candidate Barack Obama gave a speech recently in which he called out on the carpet something a lot of people aren't willing to 'fess up to. Here are his exact comments, taken from the Wikipedia entry:


    Senator Obama campaigned in Pennsylvania in preparation for the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, and spoke about small-town Pennsylvania at a private April 6 fundraising event in San Francisco. His remarks were widely reported:

    "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."



    Now, I've spent most of my life in small towns, and I ABSOLUTELY back Obama on this. He called it 100% right, whether people like it or not - and a lot of them don't. Since then, the media's been aflame with people screaming that Obama's comments somehow mean that he's slamming small towns, guns and religion (all of which are practically considered Sacred in this culture, especially the latter). Both Clinton and McCain (neither of whom has any room to talk themselves, and have probably made worse statements; why aren't people going after them?) have made snotty comments in response, the latter going so far as to call Obama "elitist" (As if you're one to talk, Mr.-I-Have-My-Tongue-So-Far-Up-Bush's-Ass-He-Uses-It-To-Brush-His-Teeth-With).

    Obama later said that his statements weren't 'worded well' - but IMO he has absolutely nothing to apologize for. He called it right on the money - people ARE bitter and angry and they ARE using guns and religion and prejudice in inappropriate ways to cope - and people simply aren't willing to own up to it because he jabbed the Sacred Cows right in the balls.

    We need more of that kind of honesty.
    ~ The American way is to barge in with a bunch of weapons, kill indiscriminately, and satisfy the pure blood lust for revenge. All in the name of Freedom, Apple Pie, and Jesus. - AdminAssistant ~

  • #2
    Pretty much. I'm a pretty blunt person and it was refreshing to see a candidate be blunt right back.
    But hell, media peeps wanting to make a stir manage to make hay of a lot of sound clips so they'll probably give this one a good go before people forget about it for awhile.

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    • #3
      Finally, someone is dropping the bullshit. How the hell is anything supposed to get done in a country where no one admits there are problems?

      It took me a long time to warm up to Obama, but I'm beginning to like him more everyday.

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      • #4
        As someone who *lives* in Pennsylvania...I didnt' like what he said. I was annoyed, not offended. However, he seems making us sound like a bunch of gun-toting religions zealots. Yes, Pennsylvania has problems--we got *fucked* after the mills closed, and then by Harrisburg by the way they distribute our tax dollars. Quite a bit of it goes east to Philadelphia. Not all of us are what he claims. Most of us have pride in our small towns, and are trying to change things.

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        • #5
          I have a feeling he's secretly talking about Wisconsin, not Pennsylvania. But yes, he hit that one right on the head.

          And people call me a snob for talking trash about small towns....

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          • #6
            I would think it a good thing that a candidate can recognize what the problem IS. Maybe then, he can find a way to FIX it.

            Just a thought.
            "Children are our future" -LaceNeilSinger
            "And that future is fucked...with a capital F" -AmethystHunter

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            • #7
              It's not even limited to small towns. Most of my family are city people, and they're pissed off at how the little guys get screwed, and they cling to what they know in order to compensate.

              And IMHO, if one is going to a make a statement, make the statement and stick to it. Don't apologize, or equivocate. Unless one really does mean it, of course. But I'm sick of politicians retracting what they say under a media-whipped or media-fabricated frenzy.

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              • #8
                I think Obama's a scumbag not because of what he said, I in fact agree with that, but because I'm sick of politicians saying what they feel, then going back on it. Say what you really mean or shut the fuck up. That goes for all politicians, I don't care who it is. If you don't mean it, don't fucking say it.

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                • #9
                  Actually i have to agree. I think Obama sucks and wouldnt vote him for dog catcher. Not only does a lot of his stands on thigns are flat out somethign I disagree with, the man's attitude is one of a smarmy little entitlement prick. Ohhh look at me I'm a person of color who grew up poor but now live in a big mansion and have power but I aint changed....bah feh. Hes one of the ones who is part of the problem and has a big mouth.

                  I was personally insulted by his comments. Acting as if people didnt have the right to be bitter about companies and the government screwing over the little guy. About jobs getting shipped off to someplace else. As if a person's religion was something that shouldnt be considered in their lives. While I do agree religion and politics should not be entangled in the laws so that all religions are equally protected, people do have the right to have their religion respected. (As long as their behavior shows a true respect for their own religion too but that another thread called hypocrisy)

                  Also the commetns about people voting based on their firearms. Hello 2nd amendment of the constitution! The Constitution of the United States of ASmerica. The highest most powerful and final say on what the law is or is not. People need to be bitter and pissed when some scumbag government twerp comes along and says they want to help you but you need to become a helpless sheep to get the help. Thats not a good thing.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rahmota View Post
                    Hes one of the ones who is part of the problem and has a big mouth...I was personally insulted by his comments. Acting as if people didnt have the right to be bitter about companies and the government screwing over the little guy. About jobs getting shipped off to someplace else. As if a person's religion was something that shouldnt be considered in their lives.
                    How is pointing out the painfully obvious elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about a problem?

                    Obama has my respect because he's willing to say the things that nobody else will (my guess is the only reason he supposedly 'went back' on his statements is because some dweeb in his campaign management panicked and felt it would be better for him to 'apologize' - I agree that he should have just stood by his words, and screw anybody that didn't like it). I really don't see how his comments were insulting at all. He wasn't saying that all small-town folk were hayseed bumpkins, he wasn't saying that people didn't have any right to be angry - if anything, he was saying that it was completely understandable why people were angry.
                    ~ The American way is to barge in with a bunch of weapons, kill indiscriminately, and satisfy the pure blood lust for revenge. All in the name of Freedom, Apple Pie, and Jesus. - AdminAssistant ~

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                    • #11
                      I live in PA and Obama is 100% right. There are people who don't care about politics per se' but vote for whoever their church or the NRA tell them to regardless if it goes against their personal interests.

                      What's funny is you can watch a show like South Park where the same thing is said and everyone laughs and is all "yeah, they're right about that" since the creators of the show aren't running for President. Have a politician say that and people flip the F out. The polls don't seem to show it having any effect on him but the media is still freaking out.

                      Here's another secret no one wants to acknowledge: His pastor was right too. Yeah, he could have been a little less blunt about it but anyone who can't deal with the fact that JUST MAYBE our policies may have pissed off folks who had a hand in 9/11 should probably leave the politics discussion to the grown folk.

                      This is why the cable news is reduced to sound bites for dumb people. Any one who dares to speak their mind and introduce some real talk to the process gets raked over the coals as some kind of nutbag.

                      You want to know why Presidential candidates are all bland and over prepared? You're looking at it. I don't look for perfection in my candidates, I want a guy who can speak his mind without having to make it sound as prepared and focus-grouped as possible. I hate this "he must agree with my opinions 100% or he's evil" mindset. A lot of Republicans are doing it with McCain too, trying to make him out as some radical leftist in GOP clothing because he's maybe 90-95% in agreement with them instead of being lockstep.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CancelMyService View Post
                        I hate this "he must agree with my opinions 100% or he's evil" mindset. A lot of Republicans are doing it with McCain too, trying to make him out as some radical leftist in GOP clothing because he's maybe 90-95% in agreement with them instead of being lockstep.
                        Geez, if I have a competent politico who's 80% in agreement with me, I'm thrilled!

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                        • #13
                          So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

                          Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

                          But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, you know, roll back the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American.

                          But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

                          Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

                          Only one part was focused on to deliberately change the context.

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                          • #14
                            Hmm if you say. I have several reasons I dont like obama. From him being a smarmy little smug jerkwad to the way he stands and votes on things in congress. And I watched the speech on CNN the way he says thigns and the ay he comes off is just insulting. People have every right to be bitter and skeptical when some government yabo comes in saying I want to help. His comments where insulting and demeaning in many ways to me and some of the people I know. To each their own though.

                            I'm not overly fond of the others in the race this year either though so. We have bushbot mccain who while earnign my respect for actually being a war vet and former POW and so knows what the shit is like he seems to not mind sending other into it for worthless reasons by supporting King Bush II.

                            Clinton is a professional politician which right there itself is enough reason not to like or trust her but I do like her healthcare plan for universal haelth coverage (for the most part) but anyhow. Obama lost any hope of having my vote and sad to say I'd probably go with Clinton this year unless she does somethign to eff it up bigger than the other two.

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                            • #15
                              I don't think he said anything really bad, and I grew up in a small town in PA.

                              At worst, it was a minorly stupid thing to say, which doesn't annoy me nearly as much as the way the media and his opponents jumped on it.
                              --- I want the republicans out of my bedroom, the democrats out of my wallet, and both out of my first and second amendment rights. Whether you are part of the anal-retentive overly politically-correct left, or the bible-thumping bellowing right, get out of the thought control business --- Alan Nathan

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