Michigan, Meet Martial Law

[FArchivist]

When the government won't respond to the needs and wants of its citizens then the citizens must rise up and take back control of their government. Think it can't happen? Read this

The problem is that the majority of revolutions in the world have ended up with situations worse than the original. Only the American Revolution really bucks the trend.

[insertNameHere]

We having similar problems in ohio, the city my dad works for recently declared financial emergency and couldn't balance the GENERAL budget..... they also had just shifted millions of dollars into several other funds such as snow removal AFTER the snow season and it was an amount that would have easily covered the deficit but they wanted to try and break some of the unions up.

Here is one thing I kept seeing people saying, just because they have the power doesn't mean they willl use it, while this may be true, the same thing could also be said about iniviting a convicted murder over for a sleep over after he has expressed interest in gutting you. you might live, but would you want to take the chance????

What I have seen about control and power if you give it to someone, they generally try and see the depths of what they can get away with. Isn't it great we went from the wild west where you could take a gun anywhere you damn please and nobody cared, now, even with a CCW permit I can't go to post office and drop off a package armed. My employer doesn't allow it either, and hell those are the two places I'm most likely to get attacked because my power to defend myself has been taken away, and I'm likely to get attacked by someone not following the rules anyways

[Greenday]

Here is one thing I kept seeing people saying, just because they have the power doesn't mean they willl use it,

Which means they may or may not use it. Meanwhile, the other side is saying they will abuse it. This is a definite statement.

[insertNameHere]

Which means they may or may not use it. Meanwhile, the other side is saying they will abuse it. This is a definite statement.

Well my view is they shouldn't be given that great of a power that it could be abused at all, the reason we elect whole governments is to have a system of checks and balances, the proposed bill makes it so none of that would still be existing if activated and some person or corporation was able to start calling shots without oversight.

[Greenday]

Well my view is they shouldn't be given that great of a power that it could be abused at all, the reason we elect whole governments is to have a system of checks and balances, the proposed bill makes it so none of that would still be existing if activated and some person or corporation was able to start calling shots without oversight.

So what do you guys suggest we do so we can remove ineffective school leadership without it taking forever?

[HYHYBT]

So what do you guys suggest we do so we can remove ineffective school leadership without it taking forever?

Let it take however long it needs to take to be done within the system of checks and balances, etc.

[Greenday]

Let it take however long it needs to take to be done within the system of checks and balances, etc.

That's too long.

[Racket_Man]

Isn't it great we went from the wild west where you could take a gun anywhere you damn please and nobody cared, now, even with a CCW permit I can't go to post office and drop off a package armed. My employer doesn't allow it either, and hell those are the two places I'm most likely to get attacked because my power to defend myself has been taken away, and I'm likely to get attacked by someone not following the rules anyways

welcome to my job where it is PUBLICLLY advertized that I have food and cash on me and NO way to defend myself. the policy is NO weapons of any kind (this covers knives, guns, brass knuckles, screwdrivers, pliers icepicks, etc.), NO defensive "tools" (such as mace or a flashlight) and we are basically told to bend over hand over the food and cash, drop our pants and bend over (with no lub) and let the perp do what they want. defending oneself is NOT allowed under andy circumstances

[Rageaholic]

My main issue with the proposial is who gets the power. He's already shown that he's anti union, pro big business, all at the expense of the everyday man. He's a CEO and he thinks like a CEO so to him people are just numbers. But even despite that, this still gives him too much power. Does he really need the power to just come in and declare an emergancy without any democracy? I mean this would allow him to make huge decisions that could affect a lot of people. I think in that case, they should have at least be able to vote on it.

I'm all for the government fixing things, but it doesn't have to be all or nothing. This could work and I see the potential, but since they skip over the democracy part, I see too much potential for abuse. At least allow the people some say in it.

[smileyeagle1021]

That's too long.

Mussaleini and Hitler did a wonderful job of making efficient government very quickly, as did Stalin.
Cuba has an amazingly efficient health system and China has a very effective education system.

If we sacrafice our system of checks and balances for speed we may get exactly what we deserve for being willing to give up our freedoms.

[Greenday]

Communists, nazis, dictatorships =/= Republic

Giving a governor the ability to fire education people for sucking won't lead to genocide.

[linguist]

Giving a governor the ability to fire education people for sucking won't lead to genocide.

I don't know why you're so hung up on the education aspect, because this bill goes far beyond giving someone the power to fire teachers and school administrators. It gives one person the unilateral power to, on a whim, wipe out entire democratically elected town governing bodies and replace them with appointees, even wipe out entire towns through disincorporation, without a system of checks and balances.

That's not how a republic works.

[insertNameHere]

I don't know why you're so hung up on the education aspect, because this bill goes far beyond giving someone the power to fire teachers and school administrators. It gives one person the unilateral power to, on a whim, wipe out entire democratically elected town governing bodies and replace them with appointees, even wipe out entire towns through disincorporation, without a system of checks and balances.

That's not how a republic works.

Who could then "pass" legislation for gun registration, then banning and confiscation..... kind of like Hilter and some other dictators have done. We learn history so it doesn't repeat itself, there are plenty examples of abuses of power, people are only human, checks and balances while a pain in the ass helps protect us all. Our founding fathers knew that to much power is a bad thing, it usually starts of small then snowballs.

Believe Ben Franklin said "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." If you don't exercise your rights they might as well be taken away.

It starts with education reform, then moves onto removing the unions, then to whatever the next method of business profit is. People want me to give up my guns so only criminals and police would have them, so when the police aren't around I'm screwed. Personally, I would feel safer if teachers were able to defend their lives and the lives of their students, but we will have to start another thread for merits of having guns.

I just don't like how they want to give up a little freedom, which like I said starts small has productive results, then all hell breaks loose, I mean you do realize Hitler was elected, then started appointing people as he saw fit. (strangely similar to electing a Governor)

[Evandril]

Communists, nazis, dictatorships =/= Republic

Giving a governor the ability to fire education people for sucking won't lead to genocide.

You mean the nazi party was not part of Germany, and was not elected into power, legally? Who then made changes to make things more efficient?

The Consitution of the United States is not very efficent...but it keeps us *FREE*, which is far more important to me. I've been around the world, and seen more efficent governments (Japan's police are *awesome*, fyi), but I've yet to find one that compares to ours (In my opinon, of course)

[Greenday]

You mean the nazi party was not part of Germany, and was not elected into power, legally? Who then made changes to make things more efficient?

I mean that we don't have any fascist groups trying to eliminate whole groups of people. It's clearly not happening in the government. Do we have governors who want people to have to earn their benefits like everyone else? Certainly. But that's a big difference from wiping out every Jew, gypsy, etc.