First openly gay presidential Canidate!!!!!

[AdminAssistant]

So, he wants to be like Teddy Roosevelt, who firmly believed that the US was doing those silly ol' Indians (and Cubans) a favor by taking over their lands because they just didn't know how to manage it! What a great role model.

Sorry, I'll be sticking with the party that's not telling me what I can and cannot do with my uterus, TYVM.

[Andara Bledin]

Yes it's an uphill battle, but remember the "oh so liberal" Democratic party is the political party that OPPOSED civil rights in the 1960's.

Last I checked, the 60's were, oh yeah, half a century ago.

I'm afraid I have to live in the present, as does everybody else, and presently, the GOP is not my friend in any manner. Most of the time, neither are the democrats, which is why I usually vote for someone else entirely.

I don't see any point in supporting someone who doesn't represent my best interest in the hope that, hey, somewhere down the line, maybe another fifty years from now, the party they represent might stop being bastards.

^-.-^

[smileyeagle1021]

So...it's not a fact that in an election where we actually had someone who was young and black, something completely different from the past elections, there was a spike in black voters and young voters?

You're right, it doesn't say who they voted for. But the most logical reason was because of who they most likely were going to vote for (hint: not the old, white guy).

That doesn't mean there wouldn't have been the same spike if it had been McCain running against a young progressive white guy... they may have come out in equal force to vote down McCain and vote in a progressive after 8 years of a regressive presidency.

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Sorry, I'll be sticking with the party that's not telling me what I can and cannot do with my uterus, TYVM.

And I'll be sticking with the party that isn't trying to force me to be attracted to someone with a uterus

[BlaqueKatt]

So, he wants to be like Teddy Roosevelt, who firmly believed that the US was doing those silly ol' Indians (and Cubans) a favor by taking over their lands because they just didn't know how to manage it! What a great role model.

Yes because that's ALL Roosevelt did

Roosevelt saw himself a representative of all the people, including farmers, laborers, white collar workers, and businessmen. Roosevelt therefore was focused on bringing big business under stronger regulation so that he could effectively serve all the people he represented. He sought to regulate, rather than dissolve, most trusts. Efforts continued over the next several years, to reduce the control of "big business" over the U.S. economy and workers.

He won the adoption of the Drago Doctrine, which prevented the use of force in collecting foreign debts.

In 1905, President Roosevelt formed the United States Forestry Service
During Roosevelt's time as President, the forest reserves in the U.S. went from approximately 43-million acres to about 194-million acres.

Established the forerunner to the national parks system

established 51 bird sanctuaries

wow-yup all those especially the first one are definitely things we don't want a president to do.

I really don't understand why people can say-well I agree with him on the issues but refuse to vote for him due to his party-then turn around and say it's stupid to vote for a party that doesn't have your interests at heart.
IT's doing the same damn thing.

I DON'T VOTE FOR A PARTY, I VOTE FOR A PERSON.

and claiming the 60's were "so long ago" guess what, the DNC REFUSES to acknowledge what they did, they cover it up with lies, to hide their past misdeeds, and hope no one finds out. I've had highranking officials from the WI DNC tell me to my face, that the DEMOCRATS and ONLY THE DEMOCRATS are responsible for civil rights.

[AdminAssistant]

Yeah, he established all those wonderful parks and reserves so that white people would have a safe place to go shoot wildlife.

I don't really vote for a party either. I vote for people. It's just that I haven't found a person in the modern-day Republican party that isn't completely morally reprehensible to me. I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe lower taxes for the upper 2% IS more important than me being able to make my own medical decisions.

[BlaqueKatt]

Yeah, he established all those wonderful parks and reserves so that white people would have a safe place to go shoot wildlife.

I can find nothing to substantiate that claim-and I'm sure the hunting was fantastic in the grand canyon and devil's tower. And if that is the reason, that totally negates all the conservation efforts, because it was done for white people, and no one else ever gets to set foot in national parks for any reason other than to hunt.

I don't really vote for a party either.

really?

Sorry, I'll be sticking with the party that's not telling me what I can and cannot do with my uterus, TYVM.

I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe lower taxes for the upper 2% IS more important than me being able to make my own medical decisions.

wow must've missed that in his platform...oh wait, it's not there.

[FArchivist]

Sorry some of us remember what the Republican party used to be and are ACTIVELY WORKING to restore it, rather than just "jumping ship". Yes it's an uphill battle, but remember the "oh so liberal" Democratic party is the political party that OPPOSED civil rights in the 1960's.

How can you remember what the Republican Party "used to be" when the last time it actively supported rights for marginalized groups was in the days of Coolidge? You seem to have forgotten that the Civil Rights of 1964 was proposed by Democrats and was opposed on a north/south basis rather than a party basis. Here's the vote percentages on a Yea/Nay basis:

The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
* Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

I would also like to note that EVERY Southern Democrat from that era has now switched parties and become a Republican. Period. So let's not fool ourselves that the Democrats were the big racists then when the numbers clearly contradict this.

Quite frankly, you don't know WHAT Republicans are supposed to believe, probably because you've never read Russell Kirk, the man who invented Modern American Conservatism in the 1950s. Here are the Six Canons of Conservatism:

1. A belief in a transcendent order, which Kirk described variously as based in tradition, divine revelation, or natural law;
2. An affection for the "variety and mystery" of human existence;
3. A conviction that society requires orders and classes that emphasize "natural" distinctions;
4. A belief that property and freedom are closely linked;
5. A faith in custom, convention, and prescription, and
6. A recognition that innovation must be tied to existing traditions and customs, which entails a respect for the political value of prudence.

Kirk also said that Christianity and Western Civilization are "unimaginable apart from one another." and that "all culture arises out of religion. When religious faith decays, culture must decline, though often seeming to flourish for a space after the religion which has nourished it has sunk into disbelief."

So, if you wish to return the Republican Party to "what it was" previous to the advent of Neo-Conservatism, this is what you are working for. Is that correct?

and claiming the 60's were "so long ago" guess what, the DNC REFUSES to acknowledge what they did, they cover it up with lies, to hide their past misdeeds, and hope no one finds out. I've had highranking officials from the WI DNC tell me to my face, that the DEMOCRATS and ONLY THE DEMOCRATS are responsible for civil rights.

Which shows that they know their history better than you do. All civil rights legislation of the 1960s and early 1970s was originated by Northern Democrats, usually with some Northern Republican assistance.

[FArchivist]

wow must've missed that in his platform...oh wait, it's not there.

1) Those tax cuts are absolutely mentioned in the current national Republican Party platform.

2) Teddy Roosevelt is regarded today as a traitor to conservative politics who split the party and was infected by Progressivism, a form of "liberal fascism", as stated by political pundit Jonah Goldberg in the book of the same name. He and everything he did is REPUDIATED by the Republican Party today.