Idaho Bans Post 20-week Abortions...

[Andara Bledin]

Right. We're headed for puritanical law, instead. >_>

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[Hyena Dandy]

insert, what makes you think that?

[fireheart17]

Muslims are not a big enough minority, let alone majority, to push through that significant a change in law. If we're headed in the direction of a theocracy, it's a Christian one.

That seems to be the way that we're headed.

Right. We're headed for puritanical law, instead. >_>

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QFT, except that down in Australia it's a similar thing.

and I think I may know where insertnamehere is coming from on this one in this case, although I think he/she may be getting "social awareness" mixed up with "ZOMG TEH MUSLIMS ARE TAKING OVER TEH WORLDZ!!!" in the sense that we have to refer to Easter Eggs as "Spring Spheres" ("Autumn Spheres" wouldn't cut it around here) and that people are using "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."

Around these parts, children have celebrated an "End of year celebration" rather than a Christmas celebration.

People say that ZOMG TEH MUSLIMS ARE TAKING OVER ZE WORLDZ....when in actual fact, nobody is being forced to fast for a month, pray five times a day, give 2.5% of your income to charity, cover your head, arms and legs in all weather, eat halal meat, not drink any alcohol and we aren't publicly executing people for cheating on their husbands/wives (OK that might be cultural, but I'm aware that people often confuse cultural and religious).

Now returning you back to your scheduled thread.


On-topic, I really do have to wonder if those who want the law supported are ready to handle the massive boom in population because of their stupid laws, how they're going to handle injuries caused by backyard abortions, how they're going to handle people not being able to afford contraception, the list goes on.

Oh wait, I forgot-they want all fertile women to breed and breed and breed. Silly me.

[AdminAssistant]

What concerns me is that some severe birth defects are found rather late in a pregnancy, and you can't really blame a woman for not wanting to carry a fetus to term when it will either die within a year or never be able to live a full, happy life. Or, you know, die during the process.

[Imprl59]

Of those that consider this to be a bad ruling I would be curious to know at what point in the pregnancy do you think abortion should no longer be allowed?

[fireheart17]

Of those that consider this to be a bad ruling I would be curious to know at what point in the pregnancy do you think abortion should no longer be allowed?

First trimester on request (which IIRC is 12 weeks-that covers rape and so on), second trimester for maternal or fetal health and third trimester-maternal or fetal health. And that covers both physical and psychological issues.

A little Wiki search showed the law in Australia is a little different to the US, so I thought I might put this up there for you. The overall legal reasons for abortion are:

-Maternal life
-Rape
-Health
-mental health

all other states bar Queensland allow abortions for fetal defects as well while WA and NSW allow it for social/economic factors as well and Victoria and the ACT allow it on request.

The absolute max in general is 20 weeks (WA), 22-23 weeks (SA) for abortions for any other reason other than health and then up to 28 weeks (SA) for abortions for health reasons.

[Hyena Dandy]

That seems to be the way that we're headed.

I honestly don't think we're headed for any sort of theocracy

[AdminAssistant]

A lot depends on what happens in the next few years. If more fundamentally Christian politicians are elected to offices, in the same ilk as Bachmann, Huckabee, Palin, et. al., then I could definitely see it. These people and their followers have made it clear that they're all for one nation under a very specific God.

[Hyena Dandy]

Its not that I don't see theocrats taking power at all, I just don't see them holding on to it for too long.

[Greenday]

Its not that I don't see theocrats taking power at all, I just don't see them holding on to it for too long.

Look at the ridiculous amounts of blue laws we already have:

No alcohol until after 12 noon on Sundays. In some states, you can't buy alcohol at all on Sundays.
Gay people can't get married.
A lot of states ban selling cars on Sundays.
A lot of states ban selling alcohol on Christmas.
In Illinois, you can't do horse racing on Sundays.
No hunting in Maine on Sundays.
In Massachusettes, if you work Sunday, you have to receive time and a half.
Malls in Bergen County, NJ are not allowed to be open on Sundays.

That's a lot of laws based on silly religious beliefs. And they've been going for years. I don't see them having trouble to continue holding it.

[Boozy]

No alcohol until after 12 noon on Sundays. In some states, you can't buy alcohol at all on Sundays.

I don't necessarily disagree with your general point, but here in Ontario we do not allow alcohol sales before 11 am on Sundays. Ontario is a very secular province in a very secular country.

The general idea behind later alcohol sales on Sundays is that it's supposed to cut down on alcohol-related deaths, since people tend to stay up later imbibing on Saturdays than other nights of the week. The idea is to have bars closed for at least 8 consecutive hours.

[Greenday]

I don't necessarily disagree with your general point, but here in Ontario we do not allow alcohol sales before 11 am on Sundays. Ontario is a very secular province in a very secular country.

The general idea behind later alcohol sales on Sundays is that it's supposed to cut down on alcohol-related deaths, since people tend to stay up later imbibing on Saturdays than other nights of the week. The idea is to have bars closed for at least 8 consecutive hours.

Interesting. In NJ, you can't sell alcohol beyond 2pm. PA is the same.

But the laws here were originally written by Christians who thought people should be spending God's day in church and relaxing, not working and drinking. It's why there are so many laws about not being able to do anything on Sundays.

It's very interesting how two countries so close and not drastically different have similar laws for completely different reasons. To be honest, I don't buy the whole "it'll cut down on alcohol-related deaths" thing. How is me having a beer at 11am going to kill me anymore than having a beer at noon?

[Andara Bledin]

What about having one of the beers at 8am that you stockpiled the night before?

Special alcohol sales restrictions on Sundays are almost purely based on religious issues, not social. After all, Friday is a big party day, too, but they don't have the same rules for Saturday mornings, do they?

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[Eisa]

I hate Idaho so much.

Conservative, religious, narrow-minded bullshit.

It sucks ass, by the way, to live in one of the most liberal-minded counties and STILL know that whatever you say won't make a damn bit of difference because of the rest of the state.

[insertNameHere]

insert, what makes you think that?

Actually, I did that SC thing of being half awake and not comprehending when I posted. and was confusing this thread with what was going on in OHIO, so I guess my comment is more apt there. Realizing that 20 Weeks is 5Months, you should know your fucking pregnant by then and have an idea what your doing. But in ohio, with them trying to base it off of about 8 weeks as the stoping point.

With all the BS laws they trying to pass in OH, MI, WI that are similar my brain is trying to not easily mix them up, but generally thing is someone gonna get screwed