Osama Bin Laden has been killed...game changer?

[Hyena Dandy]

I don't think that's terrorist sympathizer. Terrorist sympathizer would be more like the people saying that they understand the plight of the terrorists, and that its not really their fault that they're crazy because they were pushed to that by Imperialism. And in a way for most of the actual combatants it probably isn't, they've probably been brainwashed or something, but that actually makes them less reasonable, not more reasonable.

[Boozy]

Have the Quakers been saying we should let the terrorists keep doing what they are doing? Because my ex didn't say we should stop killing them. She said we should leave them alone which is a big difference.

People are responding to comments YOU made HERE, not to things we imagine your ex might have said.

I would like to request that the entire conversation between yourself and your ex be posted, to the best of your recollection, if you insist on using that conversation in the debate. Pulling out comments that you suddenly remembering her saying is not fair to the rest of us.

[Greenday]

People are responding to comments YOU made HERE, not to things we imagine your ex might have said.

I would like to request that the entire conversation between yourself and your ex be posted, to the best of your recollection, if you insist on using that conversation in the debate. Pulling out comments that you suddenly remembering her saying is not fair to the rest of us.

I actually stopped talking about it but others insisted on going at it. If they are so surprised that I made this opinion on speech longer than a few sentences I posted here...sucks. There's no excuse for being surprised. But instead of saying, "There must be more to the story. Oh well, back to the topic.", people would rather debate my feelings about my ex. So if they are going to whine about not having enough info about my personal life, boo hoo. If you want to debate my opinions about my ex, go start another thread. I'll go ahead and ignore it like other threads I don't care about.

[the_std]

So if they are going to whine about not having enough info about my personal life, boo hoo. If you want to debate my opinions about my ex, go start another thread. I'll go ahead and ignore it like other threads I don't care about.

No, you don't get to say that. You were the one who brought it up in the first place. No one here said, "Oh, Greenday, by the way, what does your ex-girlfriend think of this whole thing? I'll bet she's a dirty hippie and thinks we're idiots for killing Osama!" No one would give a shit if you hadn't introduced it in the first place. You bring it in to the conversation, now you either defend your point of view properly by giving us the information that convinces us of it, or you don't bring up personal stuff that you don't want to discuss cause it makes you seem like you're losing.

[KnitShoni]

I don't see anyone debating your feelings about your ex. I'm pretty sure we couldn't possibly care less. People are debating your idea that people who don't believe in killing a terrorist is the same as a terrorist sympathizer. We'd be doing that whether or not you'd told us your ex was the one who made the comment you posted, or not. As far as not having enough info...well...all we know are two sentences you posted. The comment she made does not give us enough information on where her sympathies lie. Only you can do that. If you don't want to, then you need to not post something and then expect us to have the same interpretation that you, who HAS more information, have.

[protege]

I'm glad that Osama bin Laden got what was coming. I knew people who were killed on 9/11--one of the planes landed in their office, as they were holding their morning meeting Even so, I don't think that bin Laden being dead is going to change things--his followers are going to see him as a martyr, and will probably start 'revenge' acts sooner than we might think. That's the problem with organizations like his--as soon as you take out one asshole, several more step in to take his place.

[Andara Bledin]

But instead of saying, "There must be more to the story. Oh well, back to the topic.", people would rather debate my feelings about my ex.

People couldn't really give a rat's ass about your feelings about your ex. You provided a statement and then presented a conclusion as though it were based on the comment presented. If you didn't want people to call you on the apparent disconnect, you would have provided the relevant support for your conclusion with the same post. Instead, you presented two almost completely unconnected statements without any indication that the one was not actually based on the other, and when called on it, you started moving the goalposts. But instead of just clearing it up right away, you chose to argue that we were somehow wrong in making the obvious association presented by your original post on the topic.

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[FArchivist]

Have the Quakers been saying we should let the terrorists keep doing what they are doing? Because my ex didn't say we should stop killing them. She said we should leave them alone which is a big difference.

Yes, the Quakers DO advocate leaving them alone. Because they are conscientious objectors and Christian pacifists. One of the tenets of Christian pacifism is, in response to terrorism, you turn the other cheek and take no action against the violent wrongdoer. That's "leaving them alone". The Amish and the Mennonites also share this position.

So by your definition, all three of those groups are terrorist sympathizers. Time to GITMOTIZE THEM!

[XCashier]

Even so, I don't think that bin Laden being dead is going to change things--his followers are going to see him as a martyr, and will probably start 'revenge' acts sooner than we might think. That's the problem with organizations like his--as soon as you take out one asshole, several more step in to take his place.

They're starting to now: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43017005...sia/?gt1=43001

[Greenday]

They're starting to now: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43017005...sia/?gt1=43001

This implies it was a revenge act. It was probably already planned and was going off regardless of bin Laden's death. They don't need a martyr to continue blowing themselves up to kill their enemies.

[protege]

I saw that yesterday morning. It wouldn't surprise me if it was already planned...and bin Laden's execution was being used as a cover story. After seeing the story about pornography being found in the compound, nothing about these assholes surprises me. Think about it, isn't adultery and porn against the strict Islamic rules that they want to impose?

[Greenday]

I mean, this is the same group who says they killed over 100 people in rocket attack on my base and I'll say to myself, "Really? Could have sworn they missed the base entirely and killed no one." You can't take anything they say seriously.

[Pinecone]

I know this is an old dead thread but I recently heard a relevant podcast that might be of interest to some.
The LSE hosted a lecture by the former head of the CIA bin Laden unit in which he says, among other things, that all the targets on 9/11 were legitimate military targets...

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/publicEvents/e...6t1830vNT.aspx