People completely refusing to give our President any credit at all for OBL's killing.

[DrFaroohk]

It's not like he deserves a medal for kicking Osama's ass, but it's not like he doesn't deserve ANY credit either. He's in charge, and if things had gone wrong he'd get blamed. So it's only fair he gets some small piece of the credit too.


But you can't share credit with everyone. I mean, I could claim credit because I pay taxes which at some point help fund the military. Right? So I PAID FOR THIS OPERATION! lol j/k.

[Rapscallion]

I don't think it's all down to bigotry due to race or relatively young age - I think it's more due to party political lines. I'd like to think better of my fellow humans, though I'm sometimes disappointed.

Rapscallion

[Greenday]

It's not like he deserves a medal for kicking Osama's ass, but it's not like he doesn't deserve ANY credit either. He's in charge, and if things had gone wrong he'd get blamed. So it's only fair he gets some small piece of the credit too.


But you can't share credit with everyone. I mean, I could claim credit because I pay taxes which at some point help fund the military. Right? So I PAID FOR THIS OPERATION! lol j/k.

I provided a distraction out here. I should be given a medal.

Bigotry? Really? This is a much clearer case. Did he participate in any way? Nope.

[Andara Bledin]

I don't think it's all down to bigotry due to race or relatively young age - I think it's more due to party political lines.

Political bigotry is still bigotry.

Most of the people who fight against giving him any credit aren't doing so for any rational reason, which is why their arguments become so irrationally absurd.

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[KnitShoni]

Bigotry? Really? This is a much clearer case. Did he participate in any way? Nope.

He didn't participate? Really? The order to reform the team to look for Bin Laden came from the president. Without that order, the team would never have reformed. But, the president had nothing to do with it. OK, then...>.>

[MadMike]

No, Obama had 10 years worth of intel instead of Bush's 8. If the CIA had figured it out while Bush was president, it would have been done during that presidency. Obama had everything Bush got to work with, and then some.

And if Bush hadn't been fucking around with Iraq, we probably would have had Bin Laden under Bush's watch.

[kiwi]

I love watching all the pedantic contortions people go through just to deny Obama any credit for anything that's gotten done while he's been president just because they can't get over their own bigotry against him.

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[Eisa]

To take this logic a step further, should Charles Manson have ever been arrested for the murder of Sharon Tate? After all, he never actually stabbed her or her guests. Just like Bin Laden he only "gave the orders."

Just a little food for thought.

Hey speaking of Charles Manson...

[Gravekeeper]

I provided a distraction out here. I should be given a medal.

Bigotry? Really? This is a much clearer case. Did he participate in any way? Nope.

You know I was going to, yet again, write up another counter point. But its admittedly getting kind of futile. So I'll just go with Andara on this one.

[Greenday]

He didn't participate? Really? The order to reform the team to look for Bin Laden came from the president. Without that order, the team would never have reformed. But, the president had nothing to do with it. OK, then...>.>

The president wasn't a part of the mission. He certainly wasn't here training with them. He didn't fly a helicopter. He didn't ride in the helicopter. He didn't join in on the raid. He did nothing to gather the intel.

That there covers the actual mission. I'm missing the part where he did something. Congratulations, he was a glorified deskjockey who said, "Go for it." Whoopee, that wasn't part of the actual mission.

Go ahead, suggest I'm a bigot. All I hear is "Shit, I have no argument so I'm going to revert to name calling."

[Gravekeeper]

That there covers the actual mission. I'm missing the part where he did something. Congratulations, he was a glorified deskjockey who said, "Go for it." Whoopee, that wasn't part of the actual mission.

President of the US is the easiest job the world then apparently! No problem, just gotta say things! Decisions like "Hey should we conduct a military strike inside the borders of a soveirgn nation without their consent when we don't definitively know if the target is even there"? No problem! Its not like international relations with a Islamic nuclear state next to Afghanistan are an important consideration or anything.

This was a tough call to make, he deserves some credit whether you like it or not.

[CaptainJaneway]

And there would have been no mission at if Obama did not give the orders to find Bin Laden and take him down. So I think the president who is the commander and chief of the military deserves some credit for taking action against an evil man who has orchestraed the death of thousands of innocence people. IF Obama didn't have the military take out Bin laden he would still be plotting ways to hurt more innocence people. He could have done a George Bush and not cared about finding that piece of scum.

From what i understand it was the military advisors who wanted to drop a bomb on the place when Obama suggest of taking a team in and doing it covertly. By them doing wha they did they were able to take and information they found. There is so much stuff for them to go through.

Perfect Example http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_go_...en_rail_threat

[Greenday]

Go into a country that has been hiding Osama bin Laden and expect them to be outraged instead of acting embarassed to save political face? Sounds pretty reasonable to me. I feel like it's giving him credit for a successful patrol going on outside the base. Once you start giving people credit for miniscule things, it takes away real credit from those who deserve it.

Your perfect example involves plans that never even went past initial planning phases. This isn't a rare occurance. If it was an actual attack that was planned, I concede something of value was discovered. But this isn't the first time that we found out about something that hasn't been put into anything beyond planning.

[DrFaroohk]

The leader ALWAYS deserves some semblance of credit. The shift leader gets credit when the shift goes well. The store manager gets credit when the whole store makes money. The senator gets credit when a bill passes. The general gets credit when the army wins a battle. Even though most of these people had very little to do with the actions that resulted in the victory. You don't see the General out there holding a rifle do you? But he still gets credit. The leader always does, and it's simply not fair to deny them any credit at all.

Also, I don't exactly see a whole lot of people yelling "ALL HEIL OBAMA FOR PERSONALLY CATCHING OBL!" I'm not even sure why we started arguing about this lol....

[AdminAssistant]

Obama refocused our energies on the search for Bin Laden. Bush didn't care, never did, and never pretended to. All he wanted was to hunt down and kill the guy that embarrassed his Daddy. If anything, Obama should get credit for refocusing our energies where they need to be.