Lawmaker says women should plan ahead in case of rape

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Oh, and we need to quantify the perp as well. Of course, if a woman is attacked by an ex or a current husband, it's "not rape" and naturally the insurance shouldn't be expected to pay. And if he kills her, well, that that probably ought to trickle down to any relevant life insurance policies...i.e. they shouldn't have to pay if the woman is murdered by a domestic partner, right?

I suppose if it was a "date rape" (and for the record, this is a term I despise with a passion), we're looking at a gray area.

Also, was she gang raped in a place like Central Park? Is there a difference in payout if it was nightime? Or does that fall into the "she asked for it" loophole?

Of course, we need to figure out how hard she fought back...I imagine if there are no other injuries, then we can safely assume she was on some level okay with it and therefore the insurance shouldn't have to pay. I guess if she's in intensive care fighting for her life then we can assume she fought, but then we have to figure out if the other quantifiers apply.

I should be an insurance adjustor, am I right?

Actually, I have a better idea. Let's get the guy that came up with this insult, strip him naked, brand him with "I'm the rape insurance asshole" and then turn him loose in the streets.

[blas87]

Well, maybe this way I can get insurance to pay for a breast reduction, because I'd be preventing rape by not having large breasts to attract unwanted attention in the first place!

[RecoveringKinkoid]

Women over there ought to be flooding their lawmakers over there with this very thing, Blas. Talk about opening a can of worms.

I think they ought to be willing to supply burqas for every female person in the state on the state's dime. Isn't that reasonable?

[KnitShoni]

I think they ought to be willing to supply burqas for every female person in the state on the state's dime. Isn't that reasonable?

Oh no, see, burqas are Muslim. We can't have anything Muslim! This is America!

What gets me is, the coverage Rep. DeGraaf is recommending women have is already in the majority of insurance policies sold (87% last I read), and, unless HR3 becomes law, will probably stay there.

[Rageaholic]

Ow.

That logic hurts.

I truely despise this mentality. What they're saying is "if something bad happens, it's your fault for not preparing for it". Let's ignore that if it weren't for the rapist violating another person, this wouldn't be a problem. Reminds me of an article I read on some woman who was abducted, but saved by her cell phone. It said she "did everything right" (made all the precautions). I got what they were saying, but it still rubbed me the wrong way, like it's the women's responsibility to defend against the rapists. It shouldn't be that way.

[Crazedclerkthe2nd]

I thought most republicans who are loud in the media wanted to ban abortion altogether? Paying insurance so it can be afforded is ... an odd position to take in that instance.

In the meantime, I hate him. Lots.

Rapscallion

Well, currently abortion is legal in all states thanks to the Roe V. Wade decision.

Since they can't overturn that (yet...I wouldn't doubt they'll try to) they've come up with all sorts of restrictive abortion laws to make getting a legal abortion as difficult and cumbersome as possible, requiring ridiculous rules such as waiting periods, required pregnancy "counseling" (from church affiliated counseling operations), ultrasounds, fetal descriptions, vaginal sonograms and such.

All of this is to try and deter as many women as possible from getting abortion, even though it is legal to do so.

With this particular bill, they adding extra health insurance costs on to women who may not be able to afford them and are also allowing insurers to opt out of having to cover abortion at all. The end result is that one again access to legal abortions is severely limited for all women.

See the pattern here?

[Rapscallion]

See the pattern here?

Ah yes, sheer arseholishness.

Rapscallion

[Greenday]

Ah yes, sheer arseholishness.

Rapscallion

DINGDINGDING

*gives Rapscallion a cookie*

[IDrinkaRum]

As Detective Stabler (Law & Order: SVU played by Christoper Meloni) once said to an anti-abortionist who was male: "When you grow a uterus, we'll listen to you."

That's what I want to tell all the males out there who oppose abortion (and it seems that more MEN than WOMEN oppose it).

The Sexual Revolution really hasn't gotten far if men are still telling women what to do with their bodies.

[Rageaholic]

It's strange, because I used to be anti abortion, thinking that it was killing the baby and not taking into account instances like rape where it wasn't just a careless decision. While I'm still in the middle (as it's ultimately a decision that affects two people), I find myself getting more and more fed up with the prolife crowd. They act like I'm this murderer for voting Obama (who's prolife) while failing to take into account all these other issues. Like you know, the war. Because it would be better to vote a prolife president who's for war.

Another instance happened at a church group I went to in my teens. They had this speaker who spent the entire session spouting pro life propaganda. He had the balls to say that abortion was worse than slavery because if you're a slave you can just run away. Yeah, I didn't go back after that BS.

It's fine if these prolife folk want to protect unborn babies, but too many of them seem to forget to care about others AFTER they're born.

[blas87]

I'd prefer if women put their unwanted babies up for adoption, but I'm not going to flap my gums and judge a woman in such a horrid situation like that. If keeping that baby, even just for 9 months, is going to torment and hurt her emotionally, she needs to do what she needs to do. Without harsh judgement and religion and guilt being thrown at her.

[Boozy]

I would say that gestating the offspring of one's rapist would be traumatic for most women.

I'm also certain that many women have done so, and raised and loved those children. But that is a truly remarkable thing, and I don't think the average rape victim should be held to such high standards.

[radiocerk]

I feel that it's horrifying for a rape victim to lose control of what happens to her body for the minutes involved in being raped. But then to tell her that she has lost control of her body for the next nine months as well, that's a whole new level of power loss.

[RecoveringKinkoid]

I feel that it's horrifying for a rape victim to lose control of what happens to her body for the minutes involved in being raped. But then to tell her that she has lost control of her body for the next nine months as well, that's a whole new level of power loss.

And control of her life for the rest of it.

I saw a bumper sticker (and yeah, I think a subject such as this deserves more wisdom than what is found on bumper stickers) that really spoke volumes and I never forgot it: If men could become pregnant, abortion would be sacrament.

It's too true to be funny. And too heavy to be funny.

[Ghel]

I very much doubt that the decision to abort is ever a "careless decision." If I were to become pregnant, I would have no qualms about aborting, since I have had almost two decades to think about whether I want children and what I would do if I became pregnant. This is something I think about every time I am around a child and every time someone mentions abortion. It is not a decision made lightly, but it is a decision I have already made, so I could act upon that decision immediately after discovering I was pregnant.

I don't know if my insurance covers abortions, but that has not factored into my decision.