Voting for Bush = stupid

[ebonyknight]

I agree though--if Saddam was going to be taken out, it should have happened during the *first* Gulf War. However, that would probably have ended up with the same mess now, with Iran and Syria (both of whom have supported terrorism) vying to unstabilize the region.

As for bin Laden, I hope that asshole is caught and executed for 9/11. (Some of you know that I knew people who were killed on 9/1--one of the planes landed right in their office.) However, if that asshole is executed, too many of his followers will see him as a martyr, and it might actually make them stronger. As such, I think that death is too good for him. He should be forced to suffer as much as possible, for as long as possible.

I also agree that Saddam should have been taken out during the First Gulf War. I was completely behind the first one. The second one I was one of the vocal minority against it from the beginning (talk about being accused of being unpatriotic).

The problem was though, that his coalition would have fallen apart. The Arab portion had only agreed to have Saddam removed from Saudi Arabia, not to be overthrown. This is one reason why he urged the Kurds to rebel, because he hoped that they could overthrow him themselves. If he had gone in , he would have gone in with a fractured alliance and we would have what we have today.

Ironically enough, Daddy Bush told baby Bush this and to NOT go into Iraq and baby Bush ignored him.

The problem with Bin Laden is that he has been straight forward about his plans all the time. Before 9/11, he had an interview with a British reporter (I forget his name) and in his interview he flat out told the world that he was going to attack (that interview was probably IMO behind the PDB "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US"). He also told them how he was going to win. By drawing the United States into a conflict in that would bleed the US dry as he did with the USSR. He WANTED us to attack a middle east nation and Bush gave him EXACTLY what he asked for.

I really wonder what passes for Intelligence in this country these days. Will they catch him. I really don't know. Seeing as he has evaded us for seven years, I doubt it.

[MadMike]

(talk about being accused of being unpatriotic).

That's what always bothered me from the beginning -- right after 9/11 happened, everyone was so shaken up and determined to stand behind the president, that if you dared to disagree with him, or even question anything, you were branded "unpatriotic", "a traitor", or even "a terrorist." I didn't start out disliking Bush. I don't like politicians in general, but I'll give any of them a chance. I still remember when I started to lose faith in him: It was when he made the statement that you were "either with us, or with the terrorists."

That just gave me a really bad feeling, along with the "unpatriotic" label if you disagreed. Funny, I thought that questioning the government was what we were supposed to do, not let it do anything and everything it wants unchecked.

I've also been against this war from the start. I had no problems with us going into Afghanistan, assuming that they were right about Bin Laden being the one behind the 9/11 attacks. But then Bush started going on and on about Saddam and Iraq, and I'm like "WTF?" It felt like Bush was just looking for any flimsy excuse to go into Iraq, and as time went by, it was obvious to me that it was going to happen no matter what.

I would never call anyone stupid for voting for Bush. However, while I can usually see both sides of an argument, I just can't see the other side of this one. I can not see how anyone could possibly think that this poor excuse for a human is doing a good job. A neverending war, out of control oil prices, out of control government, an overall shitty economy -- 1/20/09 simply can not come soon enough for me.

[Rapscallion]

I still remember when I started to lose faith in him: It was when he made the statement that you were "either with us, or with the terrorists."

Shades of McCarthy there.

Rapscallion

[lordlundar]

Shades of McCarthy there.

Rapscallion

Shades? When Canada refused to go to Iraq at his behest, I seriously thought we were going to be named a member of the Axis of Evil!

[Slytovhand]

Had to....

Axis of Not So Evil

[Boozy]

I've proclaimed Canada as a member of the Axis of Awesome.

No other countries have joined yet, and our own Prime Minister is not answering my letters, but it's a totally legitimate Axis.

[Amethyst Hunter]

I've proclaimed Canada as a member of the Axis of Awesome.

If I hadn't *hearted* Canada before, I absolutely do now.

[Girly]

Why did you vote the way you did?

Because there was no way on this earth that I was going to vote for Kerry. I don't care who ran against him, I would have voted for them.

For everyone that thinks I am "stupid" for voting for one person over another, it's ok. I know the difference between intellect, and a difference of opinion and values, and that's all that really matters to me.

[Zyanya]

Candidates in 2004

George W. Bush
John Kerry
Ralph Nader
Michael Peroutka
Gary Nolan
Walt Brown

Sorry, that is not a good excuse to vote for Bush. There were other options.

[DesignFox]

Slyt, that article is absolutely hysterical.

I think I pretty much answered why I voted the way I did through my reasons of not liking Bush.

I don't like his politics. He's anti-choice, anti-little guy, and trigger happy.

I think he's of average intelligence at best...then he speaks and I think he's downright stupid. If the guy can't put a sentence together, how the hell can he run a country?

I did a bunch of research the first time around- I don't remember all of the reasons why I voted the way I did...but I looked at all 3 of the major contenders. Bush, Gore and Nader. I listened to all three parties and all their crazy promises, and picked from there. I voted for the candidate I felt would best represent all the things I felt were important.

the second time around, I didn't need to do research to know that I wanted Bush OUT. I researched anyway...I needed to make sure I wasn't compromising my values altogether... but just about anybody would have been better than HIM again (in my opinion).

And, like others that are on here, I supported my country during 9/11. I didn't criticize the president...I was impressed he stepped it up at first...then he started spouting all this Iraq crap... and it was like *palm to forehead.*

He is an embarrassment. January 20, 2009 will be time for celebration.

[Girly]

Candidates in 2004

George W. Bush
John Kerry
Ralph Nader
Michael Peroutka
Gary Nolan
Walt Brown

Sorry, that is not a good excuse to vote for Bush. There were other options.

A good excuse? How about I wanted to? Is that better? I could have written in Christopher Walken, too, I suppose.

I guess it comes down to thinking someone is stupid for voting for whoever it is they vote for is kind of 'stupid' itself. I have many friends that believe every word Michael Moore spits out of his mouth. That doesn't mean I think they are stupid, it means we believe in different things, and we don't talk about politics with each other. My mom LOVES Coulter. I think she's pretty vile and disgusting, myself, and do not agree with everything she says. Should I think my mom is stupid, as well?

The first time I voted for Bush, when he was running against Gore, I said many of the same things people are saying about Bush, but with Gore's name in his place. I personally think the man is an idiot. I wouldn't believe anything that man said to me, even if I saw exactly what he just said with my own eyes. That doesn't mean I think anyone that voted for him is stupid though. That would just show how stupid I am myself

[AFPheonix]

A good excuse? How about I wanted to? Is that better? I could have written in Christopher Walken, too, I suppose.

So you support the stuff he's pulled in the last 2 terms?

You essentially affirm that you approve of the decisions he's made when you put a checkmark next to his name.

[Girly]

So you support the stuff he's pulled in the last 2 terms?

You essentially affirm that you approve of the decisions he's made when you put a checkmark next to his name.

I voted for him, didn't I? You won't ever agree 100% with who you vote for. I happen to agree more with his platform than the other guys. I do not approve of every decision he's ever made, no. But that doesn't mean I think he's stupid. You disagree with everyone at some point or another.

[Zyanya]

I happen to agree more with his platform than the other guys.

So explain to us then, on what points did you actually agree with him?

Or what points did you specifically disagree with Kerry on?


From my point of view, there is absolutely NOTHING Bush stands for that wasn't A) also represented by other candidates AND B) anywhere near worth getting into the quagmire that is Iraq.

And while Iraq alone was worth kicking him out of office, I also felt that no one should be president that would take away from the constitution for no reason (Patriot Act) and no one should be president that supports re institutionalizing segregation (Family Protection Act).

Even without Iraq, there was nothing that outweighed those points. I would have voted Bush over Peroutka, but it may have come down to a coin-flip there.

[IDrinkaRum]

I voted for Bush because I stood for the war (I still do). General Patreaus(sp?) is pulling troops out of Iraq, not because we're going to surrender or not staying to help those who are supporting us over there, but because we're making such a dent against the enemy, not many of our troops are needed anymore.

And what's the difference between giving up our rights to keep our country free than giving up our rights so the government can hold our hands, wipe our noses & bottoms and give us free kool-aid to drink so we can think government sponsored programs (like welfare and "free" healthcare) are great and wonderful.

Most people I've talked to think the President is stupid because of his accent. Southern accents, I suppose, aren't intelligent sounding. If Bush said the same things without that accent of his, would he still be stupid?

And don't get me started on some of the things that Obama has said that if a Republican (any of them) said, the media would be all over them like ticks on a hound dog; calling them ignorant and/or stupid.

Do not be rude & snarky to someone who says they are for the President. I'm still for the President and I consider myself intelligent. And this is coming from someone who only voted Democrat for the longest time. Not because the Democrats were bigger and better but because they were the party I was affiliated with. There is not one President in history who hasn't done something that has made the citizens of the U.S. mad. Lincoln got us into a Civil War. I doubt that made him popular. And because the north won & the south had to return to the union and the south had to obey the law of the land, he was assassinated. There are those who say Kennedy was assassinated because he wouldn't bring us into Vietnam. LBJ did. And if the Senate & House both thought Bush wasn't doing his job correctly, they could have tried, during either his first or second term, to impeach and remove him. There are enough people now in both houses to do so, aren't there? And besides, that sounds what a lot of the people in this thread want: Bush to be impeached and removed from office. Clinton was impeached, but not removed. Nixon was. President Andrew Johnson (Lincoln's Vice President) was acquitted of impeachment offenses by one vote.

Let this issue rest now, I think. I can see where this thread can lead to some hurt feelings (especially for those on President Bush's side). So the majority of people don't like President Bush. Who cares? Who cares if there are people out there who still like President Bush? It's a moot point as we'll be voting for a new President anyway in a few month's time as it is.