Illinois Dream Act

[Boozy]

Ooh, where can I get one of those sweet migrant worker jobs where I don't have to pay taxes? They sound really awesome.

[mikoyan29]

It IS an assumption because when you say employers pay them minimum wage and they all pay taxes, you are factually wrong. There are plenty of employers all over the country who hire illegal immigrants, pay them less them minimum wage, and pay them under the table so taxes don't get involved.

There are a number of illegal immigrants who fear the IRS more than the INS, so they will get their Taxpayer Number set up so that they can pay taxes. Plus, it has in the past been used as a back door way to get a green card because they can establish supporting themselves and paying taxes. And an employer that is unknowingly paying an illegal immigrant has to set up all the tax stuff anyway....knowingly is a different matter.

[Greenday]

I can name a few places back home. Hell, I lost a job to an illegal immigrant just washing dishes. And it paid $12 an hour. My friend was the assistant manager so that was how I found out who I lost the job to. Perhaps a lawnscaping job? My friend's brother owns his own lawnscaping company and he can tell you which local companies hire illegal immigrants. Local McDonalds? Various resturants.

Is this actually news to people?

[blas87]

I am totally all for a natural blonde scholarship.

[Greenday]

I am totally all for a natural blonde scholarship.

But how does one prove this?

BAD GREENDAY BAD! MUST NOT THINK BAD THOUGHTS!

[blas87]

Baby pictures, pictures of me as a kid, inspecting the roots growing out of my head, nowhere near as blonde as the highlights but still yes, blonde.

You spoke of an Italian scholarship? Well fuck. I'm part Italian.

[kiwi]

You make some assumptions. Like that employeers who use illegal labor are actually paying them min wage or paying taxes and doing withholding. I really think we need to fix the fact that if you jump the border and pop a baby out, the baby is a legal citizen. I can't think of any other countries that really allow this.

The USA and Canada offer birthright citizenship as well as, Argentina, Mexico, Venezuela, Peru, Pakistan, Ecuador, El Salvador, Fiji, Jamaica just to name a few. 33 in total that I could find.

[mikoyan29]

The USA and Canada offer birthright citizenship as well as, Argentina, Mexico, Venezuela, Peru, Pakistan, Ecuador, El Salvador, Fiji, Jamaica just to name a few. 33 in total that I could find.

If there wasn't birthright citizenship, then noone would ever be a citizen. I mean everyone in the United States (unless they are Native American...and even they migrated from Asia at one point) has ancestors that came from somewhere else. So at what point do you grant birthright citizenship? 1st generation...Obviously no because that would be an anchor baby. 2nd Generation....well the anchor babies could have been her long enough to have children of their own. 3rd Generation? Well, see above.

And as far as citizenship goes...I wonder how many "real" Americans could pass the Citizenship test that people who immigrate here have to take? Shoot, I wonder how many can jump through the same legal hoops that those immigrants have to jump through...prove you have a job...prove you're not taking a job from a real American...prove that you aren't here to do ill...etc.

[daleduke17]

If there wasn't birthright citizenship, then noone would ever be a citizen. I mean everyone in the United States (unless they are Native American...and even they migrated from Asia at one point) has ancestors that came from somewhere else. So at what point do you grant birthright citizenship?

Born of legal citizens. Juan and Maria go through the legal process and migrate to the United States through the proper channels, then have a kid. That kid has birthright citizenship. Whereas Francisco and Francisca float into Miami on a boat and just happen to have their kid on US soil, then that kid should not be a citizen.

[mikoyan29]

Born of legal citizens. Juan and Maria go through the legal process and migrate to the United States through the proper channels, then have a kid. That kid has birthright citizenship. Whereas Francisco and Francisca float into Miami on a boat and just happen to have their kid on US soil, then that kid should not be a citizen.

It's a shame that the Constitution is pretty clear on this matter:


1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Note: It does not say anything about the parents.....

[Greenday]

It's a shame that the Constitution is pretty clear on this matter:


1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Note: It does not say anything about the parents.....

There's a reason we have The Constitution and not The Articles of Confederation. The former can be changed where as the latter could not.

[FArchivist]

Tell me again why illegals are getting more benefits than the *legal* citizens of this country? If they're here illegally, they should either get their green cards, or be deported. Instead, they get *rewarded* with *our* tax dollars. What the fuck?

The illegals are NOT getting more benefits than the legal citizens of this country. That's not what the DREAM Act does, though Fox & Friends like to make it out like that. It simply puts those illegal immigrant high school graduates on the exact same level as legal citizens in terms of getting funding for college. Whether or not you agree with that is up to you, but let's have clarity here instead of propaganda.

Also, point of interest: They're not YOUR tax dollars either. Once the taxes are paid, that's no longer the taxpayer's money; it's the government's money to do with as their Constitution and tax laws allow. See your local, state, and federal tax laws for details.

Which is another bullshit loophole as well. That would also classify them as eligible for the Presidency, wouldn't it?

Why yes, being born on American soil does make you a citizen of the United States. Although, I have absolutely no idea why you are calling jus soli, something that's in the 14th Amendment of the U S Constitution, a "bullshit loophole". Perhaps you should get another Amendment passed. See United States v. Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649 (1898) for details.

Seriously, there are more minority scholarships out there than there is for guys like me.

Well, duh. Guys like you and me are white, Christian, and male. We beat out every other demographic in the United States. White male Christians like us STILL run this country and we STILL get first pick of the plum stuff. Kind of not a surprise, considering the pass on privilege we get.

My brother was living out of his car and couldn't get food stamps, but while he's fighting over that, some guy drives up in a Mercedes, gets handed a was of cash and white guys are supposed to be ok with that because some point a couple hundred years ago, they would have had it better.

This doesn't ring right. Welfare, food stamps, or any state/federal benefits of that nature in any of the 50 states are NOT given out in "wads of cash". Not even unemployment is given out in cash. So what state did this happen in and when?

It seems fairly evident that a scholorship for 'x' race only is discriminitory, though if you can show me a flaw in that logic, please do.

1) All such scholarships that are specifically desgined for 'x' race are PRIVATE scholarships, not public scholarships. Legal cases have determined that private organizations may discriminate in that manner.

2) If you're a white guy and you need a scholarship based on race, the Klan, the American Nazi Party, and this Texas group are happy to offer you one. Enjoy.

Born of legal citizens. Juan and Maria go through the legal process and migrate to the United States through the proper channels, then have a kid. That kid has birthright citizenship. Whereas Francisco and Francisca float into Miami on a boat and just happen to have their kid on US soil, then that kid should not be a citizen.

Then change the Constitution.

Note: It does not say anything about the parents.....

Correct. And I quote:

The term "anchor baby" assumes that having a US citizen child confers immigration benefits on the parents and extended family, as immigration law does allows a US citizen child to sponsor his/her parents when he/she turns 21. Once the child turns 18, immigration law also allows a US citizen child to sponsor his/her own siblings with a 15 to 23 year quota delay. Immigration law does not provide categories for any other relatives that would apply in this situation. In addition, if the parents are illegal immigrants, they are usually barred from immigration despite having a sponsor.

[protege]

It simply puts those illegal immigrant high school graduates on the exact same level as legal citizens in terms of getting funding for college. Whether or not you agree with that is up to you, but let's have clarity here instead of propaganda.

We have our own (legal) citizens to worry about. Why should our own people have to compete with those who are here illegally? By "our own people" I mean those who were born here, or became legal. Yet, these illegals, should be put on the same level? How is that fair?

[mikoyan29]

We have our own (legal) citizens to worry about. Why should our own people have to compete with those who are here illegally? By "our own people" I mean those who were born here, or became legal. Yet, these illegals, should be put on the same level? How is that fair?

How is it fair that children who have no choice of where they live are punished for the sins of their parents? Wasn't that part of the reason why some dudes dressed up like Native Americans and dumped some tea into the Boston Harbor?

[blas87]

My tax dollars aren't mine?

Ok then, stop witholding them every paycheck, then.