It's a conspiracy, I tell you!!!

[Pedersen]

Good lord! I didn't realize that miffed was holding a gun to your head! I'll admit that we're pretty easy-going around here, but this is probably something you should report to a mod.

Well, I didn't want to take it to that level, you know? Considering the whole anti-violence stance, I was worried that miffed might get in trouble. Didn't want to cause that at all

Damn, Ped. I am starting to wonder why you post here when you find it such a chore.

Actually, what gets me, and why my posts wind up taking on the tone they sometimes do, is a topic for a new thread or two. Off to make them.

Now returning everybody to the originally scheduled conspiracy thread. And don't forget about the second shooter on the grassy knoll!

[miffed]

Ok, I admit my reason for distrusting the government is a rather shaky one. My readings painted the picture of a sneaky government, I guess my research wasn't very subjective/objective/good.


Not so sure I blieve the AIDs conspiracy, while the government might be capable of creating a virus morally and physically, it's just hard to imagine politicians standing around, "Hey guys, what do you think of genocide?" Also if they did, wouldn't they make something a little more potent and precise? Rather than inflicting slow deaths on pretty much anybody who happens to get it?

[AFPheonix]

Besides the fact that it takes out more than just blacks, (it affects white heteros, too) and it originated somewhere other than the US....

I just never got the logic behind that particular red herring.

[blas87]

I don't believe the government made AIDS, that's just one of my boyfriend's little conspiracies.

Maybe I have seen too many zombie movies, but one of my biggest fears is that it could come true and it would spread like wildfire.

[Slytovhand]

Hmmm - I hadn't even thought of those particular examples in my post. And admittedly, there were a couple of other things going through my head with it.

HIV/AIDS?? Hmmm... It wouldn't surprise me that it wasn't a totally natural evolutionary thread (unlike Fratching posts ). But I also know that nature throws in its lot from time to time as well... certainly - if nature can come up with something like AIDS, then the military will try to make something better. And if it was military anyway, then I can understand why they might try something without fully knowing the risks (either consciously or unconsciously...."ooops - didn't think of that :blush:"

The bombing of Japan... well, I heard or read (it was a few years ago now, and my memory is starting to fail) that the ?Missouri had various Japanese generals on its decks wanting to sign the surrender... for a few days, before they dropped the bombs. My personal thoughts on the matter are that a) yep - it would save many more lives... certainly in the short term, and b) give the Russians a bit of a heads-up..

As I think I said in the OP, I like conspiracy theories when the facts are correct! One 'fact' I heard about the London bombings is that the train from Luton that got all 4 terrorists there to catch their next train was cancelled, and the one after was late.. and thus they couldn't have arrived at those stations at that time. Also, (and this has been confirmed on TV, so it counts as a 'fact' to me...), at the exact same time, and in the exact same places (the 3 train stations that were bombed), there was an anti-terrorist manouver being conducted by a security firm. If it's a coincidence, then it's time to get lotto tickets (not that it would matter, cos earth would sink into a black hole anyway...), or someone somewhere knew something. The security company has admitted that it was conducting the manouver for a 'client', but has refused to name that client (confidentiality and all).

So... I like the idea of a conspiracy involved.... it 'makes more sense' to me (using Ockhams Razor... it might be more complicated, but falls together easier in the end.. and it's simplicity that cuts the cheese with that razor).


Oh.. Roswell (I just threw that in for the thought patterns). Personally (again), I don't know. I do think, though, that given about 16 billion years of this universe, and that life here only took a couple of billion to evolve to where we are now (given and take a few few mass destructions and all), that there is most likely life 'out there'.. and intelligent and technologically 'advanced' too... then it's just a matter of getting noticed here... and deciding whether to make contact on a global nature or not...(barring an accident in Northern America and all )

As I mentioned in the OP.... there are people paid to calculate what's a 'reasonable' amount of casualties. There are also people, every day people like yourselves and I, who are helping to make weapons capable of killing hundreds or thousands of people in one go...So, in one sense, it isn't that really much of a leap to think that a government would do something that we mere peasants in the machine thing horrendous... in some misguided notion that it's in our best interests... long term.


Slyt

[protege]

I just wanted to throw this out there. Is it just me, or do all the supposed UFO sightings always occur out in the middle of nowhere? Sorry, but I can't believe that. Why? If there truly was a group of intelligent beings, I really doubt that they'd *want* to talk to Jim Bob and Bubba, both of whom are 35 and still in the 5th grade...

But seriously, getting back to Japan. Think about this, quite a few of their pilots did kamikaze attacks, meaning they were prepared to die for their country. Imagine having several *million* people like that. Would the bloodbath really be worth it? I'm sure it was thought over for quite a bit before the bombs (1 uranium-based, the other plutonium) were dropped.

We must also consider that at the time, it was feared the Nazis were developing nukes in secret. Could you imagine what might have happened if they'd beaten us to it? I'm sure they wouldn't have hesitated to nuke London, Moscow, Paris, and other densely populated areas...

[DarthRetard]

As Calvin once said, "I think the surest sign that there's intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, is that they haven't contacted us yet."

[kamn]

Well, for the A-bombs, I heard that the surrender treaty ahd some things that even then, the Japanese people as a whole would not accept. More of a pride issue than anything (sorry, Im not realy good with history).

AIDS I doubt ANY goverment would develop and release willingly and knowingly. I wouldnt be surprised if they were developing it, but not releasing it.


And I would consider anyone to accept just the facts that the goverment gives them as true to be, well, naive (for lack of a better word). As I would of anyone immediately thinking that there is more to a fact the goverment gave them than was said/lsited, or that the Man was always hiding something. You know, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

[Slytovhand]

You know, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

Unless it's flying through the air at supersonic speeds, and then does a 90degree turn on the spot...

[BlackIronCrown]

JFK - Does the government know what happened? I'd give it a 99.9% odds of the government knowing what really happened. They know. The only question is, why wouldn't they tell us?

I've got an answer to this one!
It somehow was considered to be 'classified' information and so the bampf was put on it for a hundred years, which is standard.
All those docs get declassified in 2063.

[Slytovhand]

Hey... (is what the horses eat...)

Since the US is getting itself a new leader soonish, what would people here think of there being a new inquiry into the whole 9/11 thing?

After all, there's a stack of evidence to suggest all is not as it seems. And, at the very least, they did a massive bodge-job of the inquiry they did have.

And since troops are still being shot at and wounded (and not to mention billions of dollars being spent of our money) to keep the wars going - which were only brought to happen due to 9/11 (at least on the outside..), wouldn't it be appropriate for us to get to the truth of the matter?


Slyt