Questions about Barack Obama as the Democratic President Nominee

[IDrinkaRum]

Because the Democrats do not want to count the Michigan(?) and Florida votes, Barack Obama is looking like the Nominee for President for the Democrats.

Is this a legit nomination?

Should Hillary Clinton sue to have the 2 states' votes count & their delegates at the nominee process? Remember, Al Gore has set the precedent for suing to have votes re-counted (however, he only wanted them re-counted in 3 heavily Democratic counties in Florida whereas Hillary wants the entire states' votes counted).

Should the votes from these 2 states be counted as 3/5's? (Bonus points for those who get the reference - which is a Democratic favorite as a matter of fact).

If the Democrats for some reason decide to nominate Hillary instead, would the Democrats be racist because they didn't give the nomination to a black man? Are they sexist for not wanting to give it to a woman (whomever the man & woman are).

I do admit to being a Conservative Republican. I was, for the longest time, a Liberal Democrat. (I voted for Bill Clinton twice, I even voted for Al Gore). However, I think this should be discussed. And I welcome anyone else coming up with questions for the 1 or 2 few Republicans (conservative or liberal) for us on these boards too about John McCain.

[Greenday]

The party can nominate whoever they want to nominate. If they think Obama will win those two states regardless if he runs for president, then they might just pick him. It really comes down to who they think has the better chance of winning.

[IDrinkaRum]

http://news.aol.com/elections/story/...979x1200112973

Bill Clinton is saying there's a cover up on the side of the Democrats to get Hillary to "cry Uncle" and have her remove herself from the competition.

He's also saying the media have attacked his wife unfairly since Iowa.

Hillary is also winning the states that Obama would need to win to become President. I do not believe all people in West Virginia and Kentucky are actually afraid of Obama because he's a black man. (The media have a nose for getting the worst of society to say the stupidest things and then exploiting it for the entertainment of the masses). Wouldn't those who are that backward fear Hillary because she's a woman? Well, not fear her, but think she'd be more suited for being barefoot & pregnant? Or did they really think they were voting for her husband?

[Amethyst Hunter]

I think the media has attacked both Clinton and Obama unfairly, and are giving McCain pretty much a free pass. (Remember, Obama has/had a controversial pastor, BUT so does/did McCain, and one arguably worse than Wright at that - John Hagee is a big player in the world of dominionism and has made statements damning the Catholic Church as "the whore of Babylon", and prophesied that war with Iran will bring about Armaggeddon (and even worse, that this is a *desirable* thing!)

It IS looking like Obama will be the nominee...but I wouldn't be so quick to count Clinton out yet. She's a lot tougher than she looks.

I'm not completely clear on the whole votes thing, but it's a possibility that Clinton could push for that, and if she does, it could very well change things. Whether or not this is good or bad remains to be seen.

[Zyanya]

Bluntly, I lost respect for Hillary and am completely unwilling to vote for her if she does get the nomination.

Part of sportsmanship is to learn how to lose gracefully to support your team. That means don't throw shit all over the person ahead of you to try and make up ground.

[IDrinkaRum]

Hillary isn't losing. She winning key Democratic states that Obama would need to win to become President. I believe (and this is only me talking) that if Obama gets the nomination, the Democrats in those states will be going over to the Republicans.

[Zyanya]

Hillary isn't losing. She winning key Democratic states that Obama would need to win to become President. I believe (and this is only me talking) that if Obama gets the nomination, the Democrats in those states will be going over to the Republicans.

She slid behind, then the shit storm started, now she is gaining ground again.

Frankly, I hate the primaries. All they do is make me not want to vote for any of the candidates.

Dude, you guys are supposed to be on the same side! Make your arguments logically and rationally, and quit flinging shit every time you slide in the polls.

I'll vote Obama because he has managed more dignity. But frankly, I'd rather write-in Chuck Norris just in the hopes he'll give everyone the smack upside the head they so richly deserve and desperately need.

[AFPheonix]

No none ever said democracy was pretty. This has actually been a pretty decent election so far.
Clinton ran badly and made a lot of poor decisions to start out her campaign. Had she run a bit smarter, it might be a different story now. As it is, she's ending up to be the winningest loser as we come into the convention. I suspect that she's not going to get the nomination.
I do think she should have a place in the cabinet though, maybe as a health care czar, as her health care plan is superior to Obama's. I don't think she should be VP, that would probably end up kind of ugly. Besides, I want someone in there with some more international mileage like Richardson.

I don't think that democrats who were rooting for her will run away from Obama. He's a darn good campaigner and I wouldn't underestimate his ability to win them over. He did win the kinds of people that Hillary's popular with in my state, after all.
If they do, then they'll need to be taken out and shot, because they will be condemning us to another 4 years of Bush, provided Mccain lives that long. I'm interested to see who he's picking for VP, as whoever it is will have a good shot at the top spot. Yeesh.

[anriana]

Hillary is also winning the states that Obama would need to win to become President. I do not believe all people in West Virginia and Kentucky are actually afraid of Obama because he's a black man. (The media have a nose for getting the worst of society to say the stupidest things and then exploiting it for the entertainment of the masses). Wouldn't those who are that backward fear Hillary because she's a woman? Well, not fear her, but think she'd be more suited for being barefoot & pregnant? Or did they really think they were voting for her husband?

I saw a poll that said 30% of people who voted in the primary in Kentucky cared about the race of the President and 90% of those people voted for Hillary. Does that mean all of them are "afraid of a black man?" No, but it does mean that Kentucky is a deeply racist state (which should come as no suprise to anyone who lives here.) There are also plenty of people who will not vote for Hillary because she's a woman - but both of those groups of people would not vote for a Democratic candidate anyways, even if the candidate was a white xtian male. Outside of Lexington and Louisville, KY is deep, deep red, and our measly number of electoral votes are all or nothing. I sincerely hope the Democratic strategy isn't going to be focusing on KY and states like it. That would be stupid.

I think the media has attacked both Clinton and Obama unfairly, and are giving McCain pretty much a free pass. (Remember, Obama has/had a controversial pastor, BUT so does/did McCain, and one arguably worse than Wright at that - John Hagee is a big player in the world of dominionism and has made statements damning the Catholic Church as "the whore of Babylon", and prophesied that war with Iran will bring about Armaggeddon (and even worse, that this is a *desirable* thing!)

I agree. I've read some of the things McCain has said (mocking Chelsea Clinton/Janet Reno's looks in the 90s, not knowing if condoms prevent STDs) that don't get reported by anyone outside of the liberal blogsphere, compared to the hoopla over something Obama's pastor said.

[IDrinkaRum]

The media has done nothing but try to convince the American public that Obama is the next Jesus Christ Superstar and is the best thing this country needs. Also, if the media is more focused on Clinton & Obama it's because the Republican nomination is sewn up and presented with a nice big bow whereas the Democratic nomination is still anyone's guess.

However, and I repeat: Is Obama really the best choice? Is he only being backed because he's a black man (and any black man could have done if they were squeaky clean enough?)

To me, Obama isn't the God-send that everyone makes him out to be and he can be ignorant. (This past weekend, basically admitted (though in not so many words) that 1. He didn't know what Memorial Day was and 2. He talks to/sees dead people).

As I said in the Voting for Bush = Stupid thread, Obama wants to declare war on friends and be friends with our enemies. He wants an immediate withdrawal of our troops from Iraq (which I don't believe is advisable) and I really think he will be easily manipulated by Pelosi and Dean.

Plus, really look into his connection with Jeremiah Wright & William Ayres. Wright = controversial preacher and Ayres = connected to the Weather Underground. McCain wasn't a true member of Hagee's congregation for years and years and decades. Obama was a member for decades with Wright (who has ties to Louis Farrakahn and the Nation of Islam). Do we really want a President who more than likely hates the white race for the sins of their fathers? (As the Bible says: The sins of the parents should not be visited upon the children & the sins of the children should not be visited upon the parents).

[Boozy]

Do we really want a President who more than likely hates the white race for the sins of their fathers?

Where are you getting these things from?

You've made a few other statements in other threads that have also had me scratching my head. I'd be curious as to what news programs and/or political commentators you listen to. This "hating the white race" comment is pretty outrageous, so a citation would be appreciated.

For the record, I don't think Obama is as awesome as everyone's making him out to be. He's a politician; ipso facto, he's a douchebag. But if I were an American citizen, I'd still vote for him. He's a far better choice than McCain.

[Zyanya]

The media has done nothing but try to convince the American public that Obama is the next Jesus Christ Superstar and is the best thing this country needs. Also, if the media is more focused on Clinton & Obama it's because the Republican nomination is sewn up and presented with a nice big bow whereas the Democratic nomination is still anyone's guess.

And what news station are you watching? I see plenty of criticisms of Obama, from the outlandish to the actually fair.

However, and I repeat: Is Obama really the best choice? Is he only being backed because he's a black man (and any black man could have done if they were squeaky clean enough?)

I'm smelling something I don't like here.

To me, Obama isn't the God-send that everyone makes him out to be and he can be ignorant. (This past weekend, basically admitted (though in not so many words) that 1. He didn't know what Memorial Day was and 2. He talks to/sees dead people).

PROOF? Remember, the man you support claims to talk to an invisible friend in the sky. Please apply your standards equally.

As I said in the Voting for Bush = Stupid thread, Obama wants to declare war on friends and be friends with our enemies. He wants an immediate withdrawal of our troops from Iraq (which I don't believe is advisable) and I really think he will be easily manipulated by Pelosi and Dean.

PROOF? Not propaganda, proof.

And what he actually wants involves a 16 month long plan to get the troups out, not an 'immediate withdrawal'.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

It's best to actually research these claims before you make them, as it took me less than 3 seconds to find a press release proving your statement to be a misrepresentation of the truth.

Plus, really look into his connection with Jeremiah Wright & William Ayres. Wright = controversial preacher and Ayres = connected to the Weather Underground. McCain wasn't a true member of Hagee's congregation for years and years and decades. Obama was a member for decades with Wright (who has ties to Louis Farrakahn and the Nation of Islam). Do we really want a President who more than likely hates the white race for the sins of their fathers? (As the Bible says: The sins of the parents should not be visited upon the children & the sins of the children should not be visited upon the parents).

Now you are just desperately trying to make things up. Really 'most likely hates the white race for sins of the father'? I'm getting that smell again.

Your own candidates fair far worse under similiar scrutiny.

And you actually have the biblical quote wrong. God, the Christian God, the one the president you fully support believes in whole-heartedly, says -

(Exodus 20:5) - "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"
(Deuteronomy 5:9) - "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"
(Exodus 34:6-7) - "Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in loving kindness and truth; 7who keeps loving kindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations."

[IDrinkaRum]

Hillary Clinton was being backed originally, I truly believe, because she was a woman. Albeit, she is a woman who can stand on her own two feet & actually debate intelligently. So because, they're backing away from Clinton (even though she's won 5 out of the last 7 Democratic primaries), is the Democratic Party sexist?

As for your religious quotes, you are using the quotes where the Christian God can and will take action against the humans. The quote I used is to direct us humans in how to treat other humans. What I'm saying is, that just because there were whites who owned slaves, it doesn't mean all the whites owned slaves, thereby all white folks are not the descendants of slave owners plus not all white Americans are prejudiced against non-whites. (Only two branches of my family were actually in the United States before & during the Civil War/slave holding eras. That's like saying you hate me because my Grandfather was full-blooded German, the Germans all wanted the genocide of the Jews, therefore as a person of German descent, I'm evil and hate Jews. Never mind the fact that my German ancestors hadn't lived in Germany for about 200 years as they had lived in Russia from the 1700's until the Bolshevik Revolution where they fled the Volga River region because they were wealthy enough to have servants. And my Grandfather fought in WWII against the Nazis and he was disgusted that the Germans could do something like that. The other branch came over from France to Canada. They migrated down to what is now modern day Louisiana and moved about from there. I'm a direct descendant of Louis Rubidoux for whom Rubidoux, Ca is named and Mt. Rubidoux is also named. My Irish ancestors came after the Civil War and I'm not entirely sure when my Spaniard ancestors arrived in California directly from Spain).

Jeremiah Wright has been been taped saying that American is damned because of the white race. He is in fact a "reverse racist", if that's the proper term. Everything wrong with America is because of the whites. Can't be because the whites, the black, the Hispanics and every other race in the country collectively and individually have made mistakes to shape this country to be what it is today.

As for the 16-month-withdrawal plan? He can say that until the cows come home. Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean both want immediate withdrawal. He won't get his 16-month withdrawal, if he's lucky, he'll get an 8-month withdrawal. Just because he's a Democrat, the Democrats in the House & Senate aren't going to give him any leeway.

I've talked to quite a few Democrats that come into my Gaming Store. They've told me the Democratic Party isn't going about the nomination correctly. Hillary should be nominated and put into office for the next 4 years. She's strong enough to clean up the "mess Bush has made already". However, this will cause Hillary to only have one term as President, after her clean-up of the Presidency, Obama will sail right through for 2 terms as President. That's the way most Democrats where I'm at wish it were.

As for the actual Election? If is Obama vs. McCain, I'll vote McCain. If it's Hillary vs. McCain, I'll vote Hillary. Surprised?

[DarthRetard]

This actually has raised a question for me in the past months.

Since when did the Presidents get to choose the VP? I want to know when that changed, because under the constitution it just states that whoever has the second amount of electoral votes gets the Veep nomination.

If anyone can answer me that, that'd be great. I'm really curious and I hope maybe one of you guys has an answer or can help me find it. I've researched a bit and have come up empty.

[Giggle Goose]

I used to know that

If you can dig up an old US History or US Goverment and Politics textbook from high school or something you might be able to find out. That's when I remember I learned about the whole change in the running mate process.

BTW, has anyone seen what would happen if Hillary and Obama are running mates?

Driving Miss Hillary