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  • #31
    That actually happens more than people would like to think, probably because a lot of counties don't feel like investing that much time in making sure their dispatchers are competent.


    Question! Since knives seem a hot topic, well until they are hot until you quench 'em (i kid, i kid), I was wondering who here has ever been attacked by someone wielding a knife, or been involved in a confrontation involving a knife? I have two I'll share to start.

    One I was a little kid playing with some bigger kids. This chick decided she didn't want to play with me anymore. Her solution, you wonder? She walks inside her house, goes to the kitchen, grabs one of her mom's steak knives comes outside and tells me she is going to stab me. My solution, you wonder? I ran like a bitch back to my house, she actually chased me 2/3 rds of the way still holding the knife. Guess it was a good thing I was faster than her.

    The second happened a few years ago. I had a younger friend who had some problems, and on top of those she had some anger issues. Her mother, who had issues of her own did not understand when it was time to back the hell off. Chaos ensued, culminating in a dangerous moment when my friend in a fit of angry desperation grabbed a 10" serrated kitchen knife. Her mom and my mom grabbed her arm, I was in another room. The friend, while being a tiny little shit, was a strong little shit, a crazed strong little shit in this case. She nearly cut off one of my fingers before I choked her out. I even ended up in the ER with it when it was still bleeding 9 hours later, I ended up being pretty lucky since the blade was serrated it tore up my knuckle pretty good.

    I shared these stories, and ask others who have stories to share them. How has knife violence directly affected you, and how has it changed your view on which weapons should have more legislature, and why?
    Last edited by aniwahya; 06-01-2008, 10:04 PM. Reason: tidied up a sentence

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    • #32
      If I decide I want to kill you...

      ...then you are going to die.

      I do not need a gun, or a knife, or a sword, or anything else classically thought of as a 'weapon'.

      Taking these things away from me would not make you safer. Not if I actually wanted to do you harm.

      However, YOU having these items AND a willingness to use them would probably be sufficient to stop me.

      Just the fact that I could be killed in the process of trying to kill you would be an effective deterrent.

      So here I am, in your house, willing to hurt you. The police are 15 minutes away. I am stronger than you, and quite probably armed. I am quite possibly hyped up on something that gives me more energy and limits the amount of pain I will feel, even if it is just adrenaline. Your children are 20 feet away, asleep.

      What are you going to do?



      Yes, the odds are in favor of it never happening to you. Only 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted.

      But your number has come up.

      What are you going to do?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Zyanya View Post
        If I decide I want to kill you...

        ...then you are going to die.

        I do not need a gun, or a knife, or a sword, or anything else classically thought of as a 'weapon'.
        Actually, criminals don't really think that way. They would much prefer to have a weapon of some kind, since it minimizes their risk. Even so-called "crimes of passion" or "crimes of opportunity" tend to have a criminal at the centre who came to the situation armed and prepared for anything.

        I have no point as it pertains to the greater debate, but I did want to share what I know about criminal psychology.

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        • #34
          Well... since I have 'anything else classically thought of as a 'weapon'', I'll have my auto in my back pocket, baton and sword on the table next to me, pull out the mace and have the taser ready.

          I'll yell at you to GTFO of my home... and if you advance, I'll mace you and give you another chance to retreat. If you approach, I'll grab the baton and tazer you. If you're still coming towards me, you get a nice battering with the baton. (nah... don't bother with the sword... that's just for show - besides, I'm not going to waste a $7000 sword on you when I've got all the rest*)

          If that's not enough, then I'm seriously wondering what sort of drugs you've been doing, and why those steroids are so available... and also think "Crap, is the .357 I'm about to unload on your butt going to do much??"

          If that doesn't do it, I'll grab the kids and bolt... trip the 'open pit' switch, set off my flamethrower traps, and set the auto-destruct on the thermo-nuke....


          ok... so I'm exaggerating.... but the first options I'd go through... still doesn't justify either owning a gun in the first place (note the first options I chose), nor carrying a deadly weapon in public - which is what my issue is with the 'banning of knives' is about... have (almost) what you like at home, but not in public... (as per my other post...)


          Btw... 1 in 4 is not a nice stat, and obviously needs something to be done about it. Problem with the stat is - how many are legitimate, how many are as per the 13 year old entrapment girl, etc... and how many are perpetrated by the same person (25% of males would justify extreme weaponry and self-defence measures... .00002% of men doesn't).

          But society as a whole seriously needs some readjustment...


          Slyt


          *no..unfortunately I don't own that $7000 sword, but there is a limited edition Stormbringer I'd get if "
          YOU having these items
          , then WTF not??
          ZOE: Preacher, don't the Bible got some pretty specific things to say about killing?

          SHEPHERD BOOK: Quite specific. It is, however, Somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.

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          • #35
            For all those people who are stating they'll be using their bladed instruments as weapons take a look at these images

            WARNING!! GRAPHIC WOUND IMAGES

            http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article....&in_page_id=34
            The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it. Robert Peel

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            • #36
              Originally posted by crazylegs View Post
              For all those people who are stating they'll be using their bladed instruments as weapons take a look at these images

              the third one is NOT a knife wound-knives do not have tread-that is a tearing wound from being run over-(flesh will rip like that if you are run over by a vehicle)
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              • #37
                Originally posted by crazylegs View Post
                For all those people who are stating they'll be using their bladed instruments as weapons take a look at these images

                WARNING!! GRAPHIC WOUND IMAGES

                http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article....&in_page_id=34
                Ewww... gross!

                You made me lose my pizza!!


                You should have warned me - I'm going to SUE!!!



                (oh - sorry - wrong thread )
                ZOE: Preacher, don't the Bible got some pretty specific things to say about killing?

                SHEPHERD BOOK: Quite specific. It is, however, Somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.

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                • #38
                  Well I have been involved in a bar fight where a guy lost a major portion of his ear to a knife, another time a guy got a major gash across his forarm to the bone from a knife. A knife when wielded properly can be quite effective. One of the reasons theya re still useful and handy and the military even still issues them.

                  Crazylegs. Yeah thanks for the images. So what? You get hit by a weapon you are going to have a wound. Big deal. Hit someone with a rock, or a steak knife. A car. (yeah knives dont usually have tread on them is right), a tire tool, a chair leg, beer bottle, brass buckle off a belt, brass knuckles, screwdriver. The list of thigns a determined enough person can do damage to you would take longer than what fratching would allow me to post if I wanted to try and make it conclusive. Its just plain retarded to try and nerf the world. Stop the government being a nanny state grow some balls and let people have whatever weapon they want just punish them if they use it improperly.

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                  • #39
                    Knife control in England

                    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=artBody;col1

                    ----Oh that's real intelligent. Funny that I read about this right after I was a show about prison in which prisoners actually show you how to make a knife out of PAPER! Just fashion it into a stabbing point and coat with some kind of homemade paste and bingo, you got an "illegal" weapon to stick someone with.

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                    • #40
                      I would like to point out at this time that (with the exception of London) not a single child has been presented to hospital in the south east of england with a stab wound this year.

                      Having done some digging it's all a load of tosh, we are not in a knife 'epidemic', for christs sakes the Mods and Rockers were busy slashing each other over 40 years ago but it is only with the advent of mass media and a TV in (virtually) every house that more and more people are actually aware of what is going on.

                      People are always very suprised when I tell them that <my town> has about one knife crime incident a month. That's not stabbings, that's not murders but possesion in a public place/(very rarely) threats. I honestly can't remember the last time someone in this town was actually stabbed but people think that every other person is packing a bowie knife.

                      It's more a media frenzy than anything else.
                      The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it. Robert Peel

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                      • #41
                        already started this one here
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                        • #42
                          I've gone ahead and merged the threads.

                          Many members have already made points on the topic, so I think it will be easier to reference them if we're all dealing with the same thread.

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                          • #43
                            The media frenzy is fairly obvious on the other side from that article - it's dripping with bias. I wondered for a moment what the aim of such an article was - opinion about actions in another country that won't affect the readers of the piece? They also chose their subject matter with care, since the Sun is not a serious newspaper. It's a scandal-mongering attempt to get the public on its side, whatever its side happens to be today. We're talking about a tabloid that encouraged its readers to stick two fingers up in the direction of France at the same time, one day.

                            The purpose of that article? I reckon it's more than likely written by someone interested in the NRA or similar - makes people think of the thin edge of the wedge in their own country.

                            Rapscallion
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                            • #44
                              Yeah - I noticed it was dripping with sarcasm (which is something I'm certainly not averse to ), but such things do seriously put me off when they're trying to put across 'information'.

                              I like facts and figures to back up an argument or stament - and that article was fairly bereft of them.. and because of that, I felt I could completely ignore it.

                              Similarly also, I feel I can ignore a lot of cries who want to argue morality or ethics over that of the medical staff and other authorities who have to deal with this sort of thing on a daily basis...
                              ZOE: Preacher, don't the Bible got some pretty specific things to say about killing?

                              SHEPHERD BOOK: Quite specific. It is, however, Somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Rapscallion View Post
                                The media frenzy is fairly obvious on the other side from that article - it's dripping with bias. <snip> They also chose their subject matter with care, since the Sun is not a serious newspaper.

                                My link(from the original thread) is actually from the BBC news-not the sun

                                Just to clairify
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