Tea Party debate cheers to let uninsured men die

[AdminAssistant]

Yeah he lost his campaign manager in 2008 to pneumonia, because the man didn't have health insurance, so it hit very close to home.

Which raises the question of how Ron Paul can still believe in his particular brand of "freedom" when he's seen the devastating effects first-hand. Paul looks like a sweet old man, but his actual political beliefs are actually crazier than Perry and Bachmann's put together.

[Shangri-laschild]

Which raises the question of how Ron Paul can still believe in his particular brand of "freedom" when he's seen the devastating effects first-hand. Paul looks like a sweet old man, but his actual political beliefs are actually crazier than Perry and Bachmann's put together.

I might be misunderstanding something here about his standpoint but it sounded like he was saying "yes, treat them so they don't die, but no the government shouldn't be the one to pay the bill after" which doesn't seem to conflict in my mind with thinking it is wrong that someone died because they didn't have health care.

[Rageaholic]

I might be misunderstanding something here about his standpoint but it sounded like he was saying "yes, treat them so they don't die, but no the government shouldn't be the one to pay the bill after" which doesn't seem to conflict in my mind with thinking it is wrong that someone died because they didn't have health care.

Yeah, that's what I think he was saying.

I don't agree with his views on this at all, but at least they are not batshit crazy like Bachmann and Perry.

[Andara Bledin]

And that is why I think the "pro life" crowd are a bunch of fucking hypocrites. I wonder if they would have cheered like that had it been an unborn fetus.

They'd force the woman to have whatever treatment was necessary to force the child to be born (even if it would suffer from horrible birth defects or the like) and then throw mother and child to the wolves the moment the birth was "successful."

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[AdminAssistant]

I might be misunderstanding something here about his standpoint but it sounded like he was saying "yes, treat them so they don't die, but no the government shouldn't be the one to pay the bill after"

And how many don't seek treatment because they can't afford it without health insurance? And how many can't get health insurance because they've committed the unforgivable sin of having a pre-existing condition like asthma?

Bachmann and Perry are blatantly crazy. Paul's crazy with a calm demeanor. Sorry, but anarchy doesn't sound like my idea of a good time.

[Shangri-laschild]

And how many don't seek treatment because they can't afford it without health insurance? And how many can't get health insurance because they've committed the unforgivable sin of having a pre-existing condition like asthma?

Bachmann and Perry are blatantly crazy. Paul's crazy with a calm demeanor. Sorry, but anarchy doesn't sound like my idea of a good time.

I wasn't agreeing with him so much as saying that it didn't seem like the two things (his views and his campaign manager) were in disagreement with each other. Giving care and then charging is better not being willing to give care at all at least. Still not saying it's the best option but at least it's not as bad as the audience members.

[guywithashovel]

If you're opposed to public health insurance because you think it's "socialism" or "big government" or whatever buzz word you prefer, then fine. However, I hope you're willing to be consistent in your views with all of your actions.

For example.

I hope you're not planning on going on Social Security or Medicare when you reach the necessary age.

I hope you don't take unemployment benefits if (heaven forbid) you suffer a job loss.

If you're a farmer or rancher, I hope you don't take advantage of farm subsidies (I see a lot of farmer, rancher types in the tea party . . . I wonder if their opposition to government subsidies extends to these).

I hope you don't use public schools or universities.

If you are in the necessary income bracket, I hope you don't use Medicaid.

Also, you might want to avoid interstate highways if you can.

[Andara Bledin]

How about not using highways and freeways?

Socialist policies are only bad when they can't be used by those complaining about them.

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[Boozy]

If you're a farmer or rancher, I hope you don't take advantage of farm subsidies (I see a lot of farmer, rancher types in the tea party . . . I wonder if their opposition to government subsidies extends to these).

You can't avoid taking subsidies if you're an American farmer. The supplies they buy are heavily subsidied, and selling prices are artificially inflated. The whole system is messed up.

[lordlundar]

You can't avoid taking subsidies if you're an American farmer. The supplies they buy are heavily subsidied, and selling prices are artificially inflated. The whole system is messed up.

This is true, but how much do you think that while getting supplies they bitch about the "government induced" lower prices or the "government induced" higher profits beyond not being able to lower their selling price below the minimum?

The tea party talks a lot about personal capitalist ethics (which I doubt exist anyways) but when those "ethics" cause their followers to get less, they get brushed away pretty damn fast.

[bara]

Here is how I see it.
Im in the United States, we seem to be able to find trillions of dollars to wage wars to kill people we dont know and ultimately are not a threat to us and in the process get thousands of our own people hurt/killed, and further trashing our global image. But we cant find money to make sure people can get medical care.

I have a problem with this.

[Andara Bledin]

They have now been dubbed the "Let Him Die Party" by political groups from the other side.

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[Crazedclerkthe2nd]

Last night on Fox News some audience members booed a question from a gay soldier currently serving in Iraq.

Wow.

[Greenday]

ultimately are not a threat to us

LOL Right...

As for the main topic, I think it sucks we should suffer for people who plan poorly for the future. But by not helping people out, things in the country will only get worse, not better.

[Teysa]

Let's say this hypothetical 30-year old man is in good health. He works out everyday, eats his veggies, has no history of diabetes or heart disease, and rarely if ever catches a cold. I could not blame him for not buying health insurance. And I certainly would not want to see him die if something completely unforeseen like a coma were to happen to him.