MS & Personhood At Conception

[Crazedclerkthe2nd]

Official as of about an hour ago: the MS personhood initiative has been defeated.

[Greenday]

Official as of about an hour ago: the MS personhood initiative has been defeated.

Victory for human rights!

Though it's scary that 44-45% of the people in MS voted for it.

[mikoyan29]

I remember hearing a statistic somewhere that 25% of all pregnancies end in a miscarriage at some point. I think in the first trimester, there is a pretty high chance of a miscarriage. In many cases those miscarriages are within the first couple weeks of pregnancy and the woman wasn't even aware that she may have been pregnant. So if this law would have passed, we would have to put more already overworked policemen investigating stuff that is fairly routine.

[Duelist925]

I remember hearing a statistic somewhere that 25% of all pregnancies end in a miscarriage at some point. I think in the first trimester, there is a pretty high chance of a miscarriage. In many cases those miscarriages are within the first couple weeks of pregnancy and the woman wasn't even aware that she may have been pregnant. So if this law would have passed, we would have to put more already overworked policemen investigating stuff that is fairly routine.

This right here is why this bill filled be with a strange mix of fear and schadenfraude style interest....since it could have led to many a new kind of "witchhunt". Dont like that Cindy the office manager didn't give you that raise? Start a rumour she'd been pregnant....and miscarried.

Pissed at your teacher for failing you? Give an "anonymous" tip to the cops that she induced a miscarriage a few weeks after conception.

It could have led to many a woman undergoing an intrusive medical procedure just to prove she'd never been pregnant in the first place.

[senor boogie woogie]

Abortion is the killing of human life.

Most abortions are done out of convience. Who put their own needs above the life of the child growing inside them.

People who do abortions are not doctors in the literal sense. The Hippocratic oath states "First, do no harm." Well, killling a growing baby in incubation is doing harm. The psychological pain that this will bring the mother is doing harm. The common side effect of the woman not bearing anymore children is doing harm. It doesn't take that much talent to take a vaccum tube and suck the child's brains out.

These abortion mills make millions of dollars per year! An abortion costs several hundred dollars, they aren't free! Abortion is somthing that is done as a last result of birth control.

I do however support teaching about sex and contraception in schools. I would teach abstinance as a choice, but I want teenagers to have the tools and the information out there to know about pregnancy and STD's. My mother told me as a teen to wear a condom and that I can buy them anywhere, and I once challenged a store clerk when I was 16 who tried to refuse me the sale of condoms and got my condoms.

Now I and my wife want children of our own and cannot have any, and I would love to have a child of our own. This is why I get so pissed off at these pro choice people. Unfortunately most of the people that are anti-kill you baby crowd are chucklehad Christians which makes the anti-abortion people that much easier to bash.

Dont kill your child. There are many people who want to adopt.

[AdminAssistant]

There are two problems with your position, senor.

First, if I am assaulted, I should not be forced to carry the child of my attacker. If I learn that my child will be born with a severe birth defect, I should not be forced to carry the child so that I can watch it die in my arms. If I learn that attempting to carry the child to term and deliver it will put my life at significant risk, I should have the right to protect my own life.

Second, where do you draw the line if all abortions are banned? Do you also ban the morning-after pill? Oral contraceptives and IUDs? Do you then punish women who have ectopic pregnancies and have the gall to want to live?

Oh, and hell fucking yes my needs come first. That's why I have a copper IUD, because I want a life and career. Because we are not in a financial position to raise a child. We are doing the responsible thing by not having children. Because abstinence isn't an option for me. (It isn't an option for most people, and anyone who thinks otherwise is incredibly naive.)

Religion is a significant part of the problem. Most of the anti-choice folks are fundies. They are the ones forcing abstinence only sex ed in the school systems. They are the ones telling the world that birth control and condoms are evil, dirty, and of the devil.

However, most importantly, you are wanting the United States government to interfere in what should be a medical decision between a woman and her healthcare provider.

[linguist]

Dont kill your child. There are many people who want to adopt.

if this is the case, why are there so many children in the system who aren't being adopted?

[Gravekeeper]

Most abortions are done out of convience. Who put their own needs above the life of the child growing inside them.

Citation needed. An abortion is a major decision in anyone's life. It is hardly "out of covenience".

People who do abortions are not doctors in the literal sense. The Hippocratic oath states "First, do no harm." Well, killling a growing baby in incubation is doing harm.

Opinion only.

The psychological pain that this will bring the mother is doing harm. The common side effect of the woman not bearing anymore children is doing harm. It doesn't take that much talent to take a vaccum tube and suck the child's brains out.

As opposed to the psychological pain of forcing a woman to bear the child of her attacker, or forcing a woman to bear a child she is not mentally, emotionally or financially capable of enduring or supporting.

These abortion mills make millions of dollars per year!

Hah! Yeah, thats it, its a money making scheme. >.>

This is why I get so pissed off at these pro choice people. Unfortunately most of the people that are anti-kill you baby crowd are chucklehad Christians which makes the anti-abortion people that much easier to bash.

Its easy to bash because many of the arguments are flawed, crazy or based on religion, and they all ultimately involve removing a woman's rights. You don't have to like it, but it is their right and as long as you advocate taking away rights, I will stand in front of you.

Dont kill your child. There are many people who want to adopt.

You act like a pregnancy ain't no big thing and you can just pop it out and be done with. Ignoring the physical and emotional toll, possible life threatening complications, especially for young mothers, and 9 months of social stigma.

[fireheart17]

OK my turn to attack this post:

Most abortions are done out of convience. Who put their own needs above the life of the child growing inside them.

Women are not walking incubators. Women are not walking incubators. I can also provide some data that shows that abortion is usually done due to condom failure-not necessarily misuse, just that the condom broke mid-intercourse. (this is the link I use

People who do abortions are not doctors in the literal sense. The Hippocratic oath states "First, do no harm." Well, killling a growing baby in incubation is doing harm. The psychological pain that this will bring the mother is doing harm. The common side effect of the woman not bearing anymore children is doing harm. It doesn't take that much talent to take a vaccum tube and suck the child's brains out.

A friend of mine had an abortion and can still have children (she's on the Implanon, her abortion was due to health reasons). A woman I know had two ectopic pregnancies (where abortion is the only option) and has since gone on to have a child.

In fact, a few worldwide reviews have stated that out of the number of women who do have abortions, the number of women who are complication-free is 97%. 2.5% have some very minor complications that can be fixed immediately, while the remainder have serious ones.

These abortion mills make millions of dollars per year! An abortion costs several hundred dollars, they aren't free! Abortion is somthing that is done as a last result of birth control.

OK, I'm going to guess that your first language isn't English based on the fact that it's to be used as a "last RESORT" but abortion "mills" do not make millions every year. In fact, I do believe that plastic surgeons make more from the vapid and vain.

I do however support teaching about sex and contraception in schools. I would teach abstinance as a choice, but I want teenagers to have the tools and the information out there to know about pregnancy and STD's.

This I agree on, although try not to make it abstinence-only. There's some proof out there that being armed with this info doesn't make teenagers want to go and do the horizontal salsa.

Dont kill your child. There are many people who want to adopt.

There are plenty of children in care. They have been abandoned by their parents for whatever reason. We should not be forcing out MORE babies simply because parents who can't have children want a "cute" baby to raise.

I'll say it simply: Women are not walking incubators.

[Andara Bledin]

Most abortions are done out of convience. Who put their own needs above the life of the child growing inside them.

Have you ever listened to the emergency instructions when you fly? When they get to talking about the oxygen masks, they make a point of etlling you to put your mask on first. Of course the mother's needs come first: if her needs aren't met, then it's possible that neither her nor the baby will make it.

The psychological pain that this will bring the mother is doing harm.

Most women feel relief afterward, not regret or "psychological pain."

The common side effect of the woman not bearing anymore children is doing harm.

A properly performed abortion will do nothing to prevent a woman from conceiving and carrying to term.

There are many people who want to adopt.

There are more children out there than there are people willing and able to adopt them.

According to this article at Child Trends, about a quarter of the children currently in the foster care and CPS systems will never be adopted. That's 30,000 children who will never have a stable home to grow up in.

^-.-^

[Greenday]

Who put their own needs above the life of the child growing inside them.

I fail to see the problem with this.

I'd rip the rest of the post, but I'd say the past few people have done a good enough job.

[Eisa]

Not much to say, but I will say this.

If my rapist ex-boyfriend had gotten me pregnant, I would have had an abortion or killed myself. I decided that quite calmly.

[bara]

Here is the thing about abortion that made me pro-choice.

Once you start limiting the number of 'convenience abortions', or try attempting to draw lines in the sand, then you are back onto the slippery slope leading to not allowing them at all.

[Boozy]

Now I and my wife want children of our own and cannot have any, and I would love to have a child of our own. This is why I get so pissed off at these pro choice people.

My husband and I can't have children either, but we don't expect the fertile women of the world to produce babies for us. Their bodies and lives are their own, and what they decide to do with them is not my call.

[Sleepwalker]

My god. You oppose abortion because you want to force a woman to create and birth a child for you. Because these women are putting themselves before YOUR desire for a child.