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  • The problem with "religious rights"

    is that for some people, their "rights" are the right to discriminate against others they don't like (Usually LGBT).

    Shorter University forced employees to sign a pledge denouncing certain lifestyles.


    "Employees who sign the pledge promise to reject homosexuality, as well as premarital sex, adultery and other behavior the school says violates the Bible's teaching."

    Now I know this is a private religious school and anyone willingly working with them should expect them to have some rather... outdated views, but seriously? Is this pledge really necessary? In fact, I'd say it's borderline discrimination.

    Which brings up my next point, Michigan's anti bullying law. It apparently makes exceptions for those with "a sincerely held religious conviction" which isn't good for victims who are LGBT.

    Now I don't know much about this law or anti bullying laws in general. In fact, I suspect that there is a bit of emotionalism and embellishing going on, but the fact remains that this bill makes exceptions for those who are religious. I don't know the extent, but I don't know why they felt the need the include that. What makes religious people any more right than non religious?

    This is why so many people are fed up with the religious right. They cry persecution when they are forced to acknowladge "sinners" as people. They get on their high horse about how their rights are being violated, but they want to continue to violate the rights of others. Bullshit. Just because we're more open and accepting than before doesn't mean that Christians are being oppressed. The only Christians who are a minority are the fundamentalist nutcases, and considering that they have such backwards views, I think that's a good thing.

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    Okay, on the first one, that's pretty standard for any privately run Christian school. The fact that they're pointing out the homosexuality is rather ick, but whatever. But the pledge is technically a necessity for them. Sure, they have to hire atheists and such, but since they, and the parents who want their children there, want to know that whoever is teaching them will teach them in the way they want to be taught.

    The second...is a bit more worrying. I don't agree with that at all.

    I don't think either group needs to force themselves on the other, but the religious aren't more right than another.
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    • #3
      I've heard a lot of people saying that it seems fair for pagan children to bully Christian children for foolishly rejecting the old ways and the old gods and see just how long this law stays on the books.

      edit for clarity, I was referring to the Christian children that are using their religion as an excuse for bad behavior themselves... while two wrongs don't necessarily make a right, at least it isn't involving more innocent bystanders, and will probably put a lot of pressure on the powers that be to close that loophole.
      Last edited by smileyeagle1021; 11-05-2011, 10:47 PM.
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      • #4
        Except pagan households don't even hold to the "old" ways either.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kheldarson View Post
          Except pagan households don't even hold to the "old" ways either.
          But if religion can be used as an out for being punished for bullying, it doesn't matter if nobody follows the old ways, just that you can claim your faith demands that you bully your classmates.

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          Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Andara Bledin View Post
            But if religion can be used as an out for being punished for bullying, it doesn't matter if nobody follows the old ways, just that you can claim your faith demands that you bully your classmates.
            Mine demands I mock and deride idiots. I'm sure Buddha totally approves...<cough>.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by smileyeagle1021 View Post
              I've heard a lot of people saying that it seems fair for pagan children to bully Christian children for foolishly rejecting the old ways and the old gods and see just how long this law stays on the books.
              That's a good idea. Bully back the Christian bullies and claim a "sincere religious conviction". Nothing like finding a loophole in a loophole.

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              • #8
                http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slackti...omy-revisited/

                I think that's a rather interesting commentary on the whole "Tolerate my intolerance" thing...
                "Nam castum esse decet pium poetam
                ipsum, versiculos nihil necessest"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rageaholic View Post
                  That's a good idea. Bully back the Christian bullies and claim a "sincere religious conviction". Nothing like finding a loophole in a loophole.
                  Exactly, there is something poetic about using their own law against them
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                  • #10
                    As poetic as it would be, all it would do is drop you down to the rank of asshole bully and do as much nothing about the problem as the law does in the first place.

                    ^-.-^
                    Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                    • #11
                      I'm not talking about bullying all Christians, just the ones who are bullies.

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                      • #12
                        Even then, that just puts you at their level. Does acting like an EW when approached by an EW work at all?
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                        • #13
                          I'd be fine with that in this case. They set in process a law to allow them to discriminate, so I think it's fine to turn that same law on them.

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                          • #14
                            You're not bullying the people who set the law up, though.
                            "Nam castum esse decet pium poetam
                            ipsum, versiculos nihil necessest"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kheldarson View Post
                              Even then, that just puts you at their level. Does acting like an EW when approached by an EW work at all?
                              I Strongly disagree with this statement.

                              Fighting back an attacker does NOT put you in the same level as the attacker, It Raises you.

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