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  • The GOP wants you to die.

    I don't come here anymore because frankly, it's better for my blood pressure that way. But now something has pushed me over the edge, so I feel like venting a little.

    In a nutshell, Republicans hate people and want them to die from lack of healthcare. Oh yes, I'm going there. Facing several thousand dollars worth of oral surgery will do that to a person. So forgive me if I'm just a teensy little bit fucking bitter as hell right now.

    The GOP has whined and pissed and bitched that "Obamacare" is OMG SOOOOOOCIALISM! while not offering a goddamned helpful solution of their own (and I'd bet that very few of these mouthpieces would even know what socialism was if it bit them in their asses). No, they'd much rather soak in their own smug self-righteousness and attack women's rights (as seen by the recent bullshit "personhood" vote in Mississippi) and kick what's left of poor people's teeth out. When they aren't, of course, pumping up their war machines for empire expansion... I don't doubt that Obamacare probably has its drawbacks, but when you avoid going to the dentist for regular checkups and cleaning because a) you're unemployed for long periods of time, as I was, and/or b) you just can't afford it, and then later you wind up facing potentially life-threatening problems (abscessed teeth can kill you) something is seriously, seriously wrong. Don't fucking tell me this goddamn country doesn't need healthcare reform. Try having six teeth yanked out and THEN tell me our system isn't broken.

    Fuck the fetuses and embryoes and zygotes. What about ALREADY-BORN people? Since when did they cease to matter less than some goddamn ideology that inherently devalues women (and men, by implying that they're mindless beasts incapable of self-control) and turns pregnancy into some kind of sick twisted cult?

    I include the Teabaggers in the GOP as well, because they're part of the overall rot - the religious reich, the corporate bloodsuckers, all of 'em. Funny how when Teabaggers protest they're just "standing up for their rights" and hold "peaceful" rallies with signs like "We came unarmed (THIS time)", that's not implicating violence, but when the Occupiers - liberals, moderates, old-school conservatives, old and young alike - pissed off at Wall Street's greed cluster in the streets to protest government abuse, suddenly they're "lazy hippies" who don't want to work and cause destruction.

    Voting Democrat won't save us either. They have their own demons, and their main sin is in being too spineless to confront and stop these bullies. (State Dems have fared better on this count.) Though I do give them some credit for trying, at times. But to say that the two are "just as bad" is crap. They aren't. Not in the past 30+ years, anyway. For that, Ronald Reagan can rot in hell. He's the one who made the literal deal with the devil by sucking up to the religious reich in his day. Now we have dominionists who are every bit as bloodthirsty as overseas fanatics - it's just that it's YOUR death they'd prefer to orchestrate, if they can't convert you to their religion of hate and fear.

    Republicans hate anybody who isn't white, straight, wealthy, Christian, and male. All one has to do is look at how they've mutated in the last 30+ years, and look where we are now and who gets the money and who's benefiting. Herman Cain can take his 9-9-9 and shove it right up where the good old Southern sun doesn't shine. What does he care? What does Romney, or Palin, or Bachmann, or the others care? They're rich. They have what they want - that's the GOP mantra. "Screw you, I got mine." So much for "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." So much for "love thy neighbor as thyself," or "brother's keeper."

    If that's the America of the 21st century, then I guess I'm a lousy patriot.
    ~ The American way is to barge in with a bunch of weapons, kill indiscriminately, and satisfy the pure blood lust for revenge. All in the name of Freedom, Apple Pie, and Jesus. - AdminAssistant ~

  • #2
    Originally posted by Amethyst Hunter View Post
    So much for "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."
    um this quote doesn't make much sense tacked on here, providing healthcare would be asking what the country can do for you, and JFK wasn't a GOP member.
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    • #3
      I think that politicians these days are going to the extremes and wasting time on the less important issues and use that to dance around the bigger issues they can't or won't fix. What pisses me off is how the Republicans are not all for the rich to get more breaks than they already have but on stymieing Obama's efforts to get the country in better shape with health care and the economy. Then you have these ignoramuses that spout off about how they refuse to recognize Obama as their president. He won by vote and is our president by choice and for anybody to say that (I think ) is not only racist but incredibly unpatriotic. The Republican front runners for the 2012 Presidential election look like clowns to me. Rick Perry is a bumbling idiot, Mitt Romney is dull and then you have Michelle Bachman, who is bat-shit crazy and stupid and Ron Paul who is so out of touch. I don't trust Herman Cain. He seems like he has something up his sleeve and the 9-9-9 flat tax plan of his seems incredibly dumb.
      There are no stupid questions, just stupid people...

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      • #4
        This a very nice rant and sums up how I feel.

        To some of these die hard republicans, it's only socialism if it's actually helping the less fortunate. What they are doing is making socialism look BETTER than capitalism. Nice job arguing FOR socialism guys.

        And don't get me started on all the lies from the other side. "Oh no Obama's Muslim" "He wasn't born in America" "He's the antichrist!". All these coming from the goddamn religious right. The ones who are supposed to be "righteous" but they end up looking like fucking morons with their inane theories and obvious lack of concern for those who are less fortunate.

        I used to try to be tolerant of others views and try to be fair, but it's hard to deny that so many problems are the results of extreme conservativism and their backwards view.

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        • #5
          Both sides have become so polarized they are not able to work with each other except in vary unusual cases. They are so concerned about placing the blame on the other side they would rather mess things up to do so then actually work on fixing the problem.

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          • #6
            Its not that they want you to die, its that they don't want to have to pay for you to live.

            Republicans don't want to provide any sort of social programs or entitlements on the off chance that someone, SOMEWHERE, might get them without "deserving" them.

            Democrats want to provide social programs and entitlements despite the chance that someone, SOMEWHERE, might get them without deserving them.

            Each one errs on a different side of caution. One more cycnically than the other: The GOP will not tolerate something because of a possibility, the Democrats will tolerate something despite a possibility. The GOP will put 10 innocent people in jail to prevent 1 guilty man from going free. The Democrats will let 10 possibily guilty men go free rather than falsely imprison 1 innocent man.

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            • #7
              "Screw you, I got mine" about sums it up. My opinion of the mentality is as follows, with my asides below:
              ---I'm up near the top. I did something to get here* and, thus, anyone who gets ahead did it by just trying really hard, and anyone who tries really hard can get ahead.** If you're not up here or on your way, you're obviously either not trying hard enough or being lazy by choice.*** Those who aren't trying or are being lazy? I'm not obligated to care for or about them.****
              * Such as ruthless business takeovers, finding ways to screw my employees out of raises and/or benefits or, gosh darn it, just having chosen to be born into a wealthy family!
              ** Or not. The less of you who get where I am, the more there is for me.
              *** Or I and/or people like me are making darn sure you can't climb the ladder.
              **** Even if they're my employees.

              That's the mindset as I see it - and I think one of those points is especially significant: the more people who end up poor, the more money and power there is in the upper strata.

              Now, as to why people who aren't politicians support these ideas? I have no effing clue. And both sides have problems.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gravekeeper View Post
                Its not that they want you to die, its that they don't want to have to pay for you to live.

                Republicans don't want to provide any sort of social programs or entitlements on the off chance that someone, SOMEWHERE, might get them without "deserving" them.

                Democrats want to provide social programs and entitlements despite the chance that someone, SOMEWHERE, might get them without deserving them.

                Each one errs on a different side of caution. One more cycnically than the other: The GOP will not tolerate something because of a possibility, the Democrats will tolerate something despite a possibility. The GOP will put 10 innocent people in jail to prevent 1 guilty man from going free. The Democrats will let 10 possibily guilty men go free rather than falsely imprison 1 innocent man.
                That's the big problem I have with the GOP. So many are willing to bite off their own hand just to spite a few they think are "undeserving". They are more concerned with punishing bad people than helping good people. It's that knight templar mentality that brings out the worst in people.

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                • #9
                  [QUOTE=Skunkle;100061* Such as ruthless business takeovers, finding ways to screw my employees out of raises and/or benefits or, gosh darn it, just having chosen to be born into a wealthy family!
                  .[/QUOTE]

                  this one I can relate to.
                  at the pizza company I work for if you work for a corp owned store they have what is called a "safe driving bonus". now this bonus is achieved when you drive (or work as a driver ) for like 4000 hours (or about 2 or 3 years full time)accident free. if you are accident free during that time the company gives you $1000.

                  now when my set of pizza stores were sold off to a franchise one driver had just reached (as in maybe a month or two before) the threshold for the bonus. well since the transistion took place on/near the threshold the franchise was not "oblilgated" to pay out the bonus but instead gave him some cheapass jacket with the pizza company logo on it.

                  the driver wore that jacket for more than a few years afterward. since it was come cheap peice of crap it got all torn and tattered. the managers tried to make him NOT wear the jacket, but his answer was "WELL this jacket IS worth $1000. SO NO not happening. I am getting $1000 worth of wear out of it".
                  I'm lost without a paddle and I'm headed up sh*t creek.

                  I got one foot on a banana peel and the other in the Twilight Zone.
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                  • #10
                    Alan Grayson summed up the GOP healthcare plan nicely:

                    Don't get sick.

                    If you do get sick, die quickly.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Talon View Post
                      Alan Grayson summed up the GOP healthcare plan nicely:

                      Don't get sick.

                      If you do get sick, die quickly.
                      I'd say that sums it up quite succinctly.

                      Yes, I'm employed, but sadly due to 1) skyrocketed costs of insurance premiums and deductibles and 2) I'm taxed at a higher rate (b/c I never married or had kids) I don't currently have insurance.

                      Right now, our insurance has a CDHP (Consumer Driven Health Plan) with a deductible of $1,250 per person on the plan.

                      Even worse, just for the medical plan is currently around $80 per pay period (I'm paid every 2 weeks.)

                      On top of that, there's also that "lovely" *coughbullshitcough* smoker's premium of $20 per pay period attached.

                      And what was the cherry on top this year during Open Enrollment (which was divided up by state b/c my employer operates in several states, giving employees in each state one week to sign up for coverage or make changes to existing coverage):

                      In order to get a lower premium, you had to not only register your PCP (Primary Care Physician) but also take an Online Health Assessment.

                      There are several issues with this for me:

                      1) I don't currently have a PCP . . . especially since I've not had medical coverage in the past 3 years now because of the exorbitant amount they want to deduct from my already meager paychecks. If I worked 40 hours each week, I might be able to afford the insurance a little better, but I'm lucky to see between 30-32 hours a week most of the time.

                      2) From what I've heard about the Health Assessment, even though they claim the information provided is kept confidential, I still think it's a violation of my privacy. I don't like the idea of a 3rd party knowing my medical business.

                      3) Even if I do complete the Online Health Assessment, I may still not get a lower rate, nor will it be the end of feeling like I'm being picked apart and analyzed. I've heard coworkers say who have taken the assessment say that they'll call back every so often to, more or less, stick their nose further into your business.

                      I don't need a Big Brother . . . I've got a Little Brother who I have to look after for the rest of his lifespan, thankyouverymuch. I'm pretty capable of making my own decisions and if I want to do something, I will. If I don't, then I won't.

                      But what seems to gall me about the political uproar is that I've not heard one idea from either side about getting a public health care option for those who cannot afford insurance. So for those of us who are in that boat, we're screwed, blewed and tattooed in the meantime and just holding our breath that we don't get sick enough to have to go to a doctor or be diagnosed with something life-threatening.
                      If life hands you lemons . . . find someone whose life is handing them vodka . . . and have a party - Ron "Tater Salad" White

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                      • #12
                        Speaking as a Canadian now living in America who's had experience with both systems, I can honestly say I prefer the Canadian system. It's not perfect but it's far more cost effective.

                        The U.S. does have the best healthcare in the world for those who have the mans to pay for it.

                        DGoddess, the reason there was no public option put on the table is because the GOP didn't want it and refused to play ball with the Democrats unless it was removed. So the only chance of getting a bill passed was to remove that provision.

                        The "Everybody must have insurance" mandate was little more than a last minute compromise that doesn't really fix anything.

                        What burns me is the complete LACK of focus on preventive care. The old "ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure" is VERY VERY true. A bit of preventive care can prevent a lot of problems and save a LOT of money down the road.

                        Unfortunately because of the way the American system is set up and how expensive it is, there's every incentive for people (even those who have insurance) to absolutely NOT go to the doctor or hospital unless absolutely necessary.

                        So what happens? People wait until a problem becomes so acute it cannot be ignored and eventually wind up going to an ER and costing the system far more in treatments and health costs than would have happened if they had addressed the condition sooner.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Crazedclerkthe2nd View Post
                          So what happens? People wait until a problem becomes so acute it cannot be ignored and eventually wind up going to an ER and costing the system far more in treatments and health costs than would have happened if they had addressed the condition sooner.
                          Republicans want Americans to pay through the nose so they "have skin in the game," and don't abuse the system.

                          The result is we put off needed care until we no longer can, as you accurately point out.

                          We can't cost shift our way out of our health care problems. We have to address the perverse system of incentives that pays doctors to over test and over treat, and doesn't pay for prevention.
                          Good news! Your insurance company says they'll cover you. Unfortunately, they also say it will be with dirt.

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                          • #14
                            We have to address the perverse system of incentives that pays doctors to over test and over treat, and doesn't pay for prevention.
                            Or, more to the point, severely penalizes doctors who *don't* over-test because either the insurance won't pay if they can't prove through the rationally unnecessary test that the diagnosis is correct, or else because they'll be sued off the planet the one time in a thousand they're wrong.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HYHYBT View Post
                              Or, more to the point, severely penalizes doctors who *don't* over-test because either the insurance won't pay if they can't prove through the rationally unnecessary test that the diagnosis is correct, or else because they'll be sued off the planet the one time in a thousand they're wrong.
                              I've never heard of a doctor who fails to overtest, particularly in an effort to avoid insurance costs or to avoid practicing defensive medicine. Doctors who fail to do appropriate testing is another matter altogether, and they are not a driver of increasing health care costs.
                              Good news! Your insurance company says they'll cover you. Unfortunately, they also say it will be with dirt.

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