Child rapists no longer fear death.

[AFPheonix]

Why would child rape be more deserving of death than a rape of an adult? As bad as your family member's actions were, he still needs to be punished in accordance to the crime. Not to mention the fact that sex abusers tend to have a lower recidivism rate than other violent offenders at 5.1%. That's pretty low, really. Prison does seem to be pretty effective as far as rapists go.

As an aside, I think our culture has seriously gone off the deep end as far as fear of pedophiles. It's getting almost creepy how much people fixate on it. Not to mention how creepy it is when people come up with these awful punishments for criminals to "teach them a lesson".

[BlaqueKatt]

Again, for anyone who is against this type of thing, WAIT until it happens to you or someone you know. Wait until someone you care about is brutally murdered. Wait until someone you thought you knew rapes a child. You will change your mind.

Please don't tell me how to feel, and I won't tell you how to feel.

my step-brother(my mother never married his father-but they were together for over 10 years-I was raised with Jason, so to me he was my step brother)-was murdered 5 years ago with two others in his apartment-story here

His death even made USA Today

So It has happened to me, I caught Jason's dad, my step father when he collapsed at my step brother's grave-I still don't believe in the death penalty-and neither does Jason's father-to quote the article after the murderer hung himself "McGuigan's father told News 3 Monday that he is upset and angry. He says this is not how he wanted this case to end, and justice was not served."

The man who sexually assaulted me when I was 21 spent two months in jail and two years on probation(he plea-bargined)with court-ordered therapy. I saw him a year ago-I was with my husband-he was homeless because his conviction left him unable to find a job, I gave him $20 for food. His life is destroyed because of the decision he made, I refuse to let his decision destroy mine as well. For me Justice has been served-Jason will never have justice, and his father will never have closure.

[Greenday]

You just seem like a very forgiving person. I'm not quite so forgiving for stuff like this.

AFPheonix, you want to argue why it's ok to put someone to death for raping a child but not an adult? Ok, here's my answer: my opinion is the same for both situations. I don't think serving a year or two in jail is even close to justice. Especially for sociopaths who may do some stuff like this, they will never feel bad about what they did so a life in jail isn't that harsh a punishment.

[crazylegs]

Why do they deserve to die? Because they don't care. They like hurting, controling others,<snip>

For adult rape, it is about control, however peadophiles love children in the same way normal adults love other adults, they cannot see what is wrong with sexual contact with children which is why it is a continual process of abuse.

[Lace Neil Singer]

There's also an element of control in it; think of what a lot of these people tell their victims, "You tell anyone, and I'll kill your mother." "Tell anyone, and no-one will believe you." "If you tell anyone, they will just think you're lying and put you away." It's not just to stop the child from telling anyone, it's also to make them live in a state of constant terror of their abuser. Not to mention all the abusers who tell their victims constantly about how stupid, worthless and ugly they are, along with that they deserve what's happening to them.

But yeah, pedophiles can't be cured, cuz it's their sexuality. For this reason, I say put them in general population and throw away the key. Or if that doesn't suit the nanny state, then in solitary confinement for the rest of their life, never to be given the chance of parole so they can't get out and do it again. You know how many child rapists have done it before and been let out to do it again? It would terrify you. I will also state that castration won't do the slightest bit of good as regards to sexual abuse; if they can't physically rape a child, there are other ways to sexually abuse a child other than penetrative sex. Castration only takes away all sexual feelings if done before puberty; think of gelded horses.

[DesignFox]

I think the punishment should be the same for all rapists, not just child rapists.

If you are a serial rapist- death penalty. No one is safe with people like that around...if it is proven that they've done it numerous times, tortured or killed numerous victims- death penalty. No namby pamby bed for the rest of their lives...good riddance.

Anyway, that's what I said in the death penalty thread, and I still stand by it here. Child rapists don't deserve a break.

[Greenday]

Rapists don't deserve a break.

Fixed it for you. Child or not, I don't they deserve a break either way.

[BlaqueKatt]

You just seem like a very forgiving person. I'm not quite so forgiving for stuff like this.

I am because I will not let someone else destroy my life with their decisions. Living a life consumed by hatred or the desire for "vengance"-will not undo what has been done, and only damages another life.

Especially for sociopaths who may do some stuff like this, they will never feel bad about what they did so a life in jail isn't that harsh a punishment.

Actually for a sociopath-it is. They only value themselves and their freedom, they have no feelings for anyone but themself-so you take away the ONLY thing they value-their freedom. From this article:

"A sociopath's goal is to win. And he is willing to do anything at all to win. And sociopaths have nothing else to think about. One of the questions above was about boredom. This is a real problem for sociopaths and they seem fanatically driven to prevent boredom. The reason it looms so large for them (and seems so strange to us) is that our relationships with people occupy a good amount of our time and attention. Take that away and all you have is "playing to win" which is rather shallow and empty in comparison. So boredom is a constant problem for sociopaths and they have an incessant urge to keep up a level of stimulation."

Put them in jail and they lose, plus they get very bored.

And there is this-the actual SCOTUS decision
Skip to page 7 of the pdf document to read what happened to the 8 yr old girl that was raped by her stepfather.

***WARNING*** This document is graphic in its detail. Not for the squeamish.
(skip to page 8 if you don't want to read the extent of her injuries.)

It explains that the victim refused to identify her attacker as her step father, she had reported previous abuse and nothing was done. Her attacker was concerned about the death penalty and convinced her to lie. It took her 21 months to record her testimony about the rape and from march second to june second to even tell her mother who really did it.(page 9 of the PDF)-as conflicted as this child was-do you think it would have been "so much easier, for her" to come forward, knowing her stepfather would be killed? She was reluctant enough to even accuse him.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Fixed it for you. Child or not, I don't they deserve a break either way.

Unless it's broken limbs...

[Greenday]

Unless it's broken limbs...

Oh snap, good call!

[CancelMyService]

I'm with DesignFox, NJ is a pansy state in that it got rid of the death penalty. Some crimes are just unforgivable and a lifetime in jail just doesn't cut it. These people don't feel remorse for what they've done. Sitting in jail for the rest of their lives won't make them feel bad. By all means, give them the death penalty.

This line of thinking really bothers me. A state does away with a flawed punishment system that KILLS people and it's a "pansy ass state".

I posit the same question I always do in these threads: what's the acceptable number of people wrongly convicted/sentenced/executed before the death penalty becomes wildly unconstitutional?

For the conservative viewpoint: How can you trust the same government that can't be expected to govern properly to make sure it kills the correct people?

For the religious viewpoint: Does "vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord" ring any bells? Should governments really be playing God and decide who lives and dies?

[Zyanya]

Again, for anyone who is against this type of thing, WAIT until it happens to you or someone you know. Wait until someone you care about is brutally murdered. Wait until someone you thought you knew rapes a child. You will change your mind.

I was molested as a child.

[AFPheonix]

You just seem like a very forgiving person. I'm not quite so forgiving for stuff like this.

AFPheonix, you want to argue why it's ok to put someone to death for raping a child but not an adult? Ok, here's my answer: my opinion is the same for both situations. I don't think serving a year or two in jail is even close to justice. Especially for sociopaths who may do some stuff like this, they will never feel bad about what they did so a life in jail isn't that harsh a punishment.

Many states, including my own, have mandatory minimum sentencing for crimes such as this, so no, they don't get out in a year or two.

[Greenday]

I posit the same question I always do in these threads: what's the acceptable number of people wrongly convicted/sentenced/executed before the death penalty becomes wildly unconstitutional?

For the conservative viewpoint: How can you trust the same government that can't be expected to govern properly to make sure it kills the correct people?

How many people, that were wrongly convicted, were given the death penalty?

If we can't expect the government to do their job, why do we let them govern? Simply because deep down we do trust them or else we'd be doing something about it.

[DesignFox]

And I didn't say the death penalty should be considered lightly. I think it should be reserved for the most heinous of crimes- i.e. serial rapists/murderers.

The guy who drugs some chick and commits a date rape doesn't deserve the death penalty (although he deserves a great deal worse punishment than a slap on the wrist). The man (or woman) who repeatedly victimizes others, adults or small children, deserves to be put down like the mad dog they are. It's not revenge. It's societal cleansing.

I think it's a pansy decision not to do what needs to be done in some very rare cases. I for one, don't ever want the possibility of a serial rapist escaping prison to do further damage. I want them dead so I don't have to worry about them. They don't feel remorse for what they do, and they cannot be rehabilitated. Euthanize them. We do it for our animals; we need to do it for our fellow humans. Sad as it may be.