Child rapists no longer fear death.

[Greenday]

DesignFox hit the nail on the head. People who go around and do it a multiple amount of times, then, go ahead. But for one incident, jail is fine, as long as the term isn't short.

It's about keeping them from ever being able to commit those heinious crimes again. These sorts of people don't belong in society ever again.

[BlaqueKatt]

It's not revenge. It's societal cleansing.

"societal cleansing"-is a euphemism for eugenics.

"Eugenics is a social philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through various forms of intervention. Throughout history, eugenics has been regarded by its various advocates as a social responsibility, an altruistic stance of a society, meant to create healthier and more intelligent people, to save resources, and lessen human suffering."

"Historically, a minority of eugenics advocates have used it as a justification for state-sponsored discrimination, forced sterilization of persons deemed genetically defective, and the killing of institutionalized populations."

They don't feel remorse for what they do, and they cannot be rehabilitated. Euthanize them. We do it for our animals; we need to do it for our fellow humans. Sad as it may be.

Some psychotics/schitzophrenics don't feel remorse or even remember what they do(and a small percentage have killed people)-and as far as I'm aware it's illegal to execute the mentally ill-pedophilia has been determined to be a mental illness.

"As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children and may engage in child sexual abuse, also known as "pedophilic behavior". According to the DSM-IV, pedophilia is a form of paraphilia in which a person either has acted on intense sexual urges towards children, or has sexual urges towards and fantasies about children that cause distress or interpersonal difficulty."

[DesignFox]

Some psychotics/schitzophrenics don't feel remorse or even remember what they do(and a small percentage have killed people)-and as far as I'm aware it's illegal to execute the mentally ill-pedophilia has been determined to be a mental illness.

Oh ok. so since Ted over there killed a bunch of people, but doesn't remember doing it, it's cool to just let it go? I'm sorry. The rest of humanity shouldn't suffer, or chance it's children suffering because "Ted can't HELP it! He's sick!"

Yea, that person is sick. They cannot be cured. Their illness causes direct suffering to other human beings. Some people like that are so sick, they are caged like animals. You can't even tell me that's a great existance for THEM. Do away with them. Quickly and as painlessly as possible.

Rabid animals are put down to prevent them from biting and spreading their disease. Some animals are so feral and anti-social that they are put down simply because they are a danger to others. WHY do we keep HUMANS who are a simple danger and liability alive when we won't even let a dangerous DOG live?

Isn't it kinder to put down a person who "can't help themselves?" I'm not talking about a standard pedophile who collects kiddie porn on his/her computer. I'm talking about people who abduct children, rape them and murder them. Or repeatedly kidnap children and rape/torture them.

Every person makes mistakes, or has problems. Every person deserves the chance for rehabilitation. But if it is proven that these people have harmed MULTIPLE victims...and feel NO remorse...or are so fucking crazy as to not even KNOW what they are doing??? Sorry.

I'm not advocating eugenics in the terms the Nazi's or the other sick fuck's who use it as an excuse to kill people they don't like...I'm talking about ridding society of the really rare psychopath. It turns my stomach to know some of them are still alive...it really twists my guts thinking they could escape prison and do further damage to other people. It has happened. It does happen. I don't think people like that should be kept around.

Although, I guess, if the person is really THAT broken, it won't matter if there's a death penalty or not. They'll kill regardless. MAYBE it will keep the...ah...less crazy individuals that still have a sense of self-preservation from killing their victims...

I still don't like it though.

[tropicsgoddess]

If politicians talk about keeping child rapists and predators off the streets for good, then what's so bad about not imposing the death penalty on them? The death penalty is the only way to keep those sickos away from children and off the streets, since prison is nothing to them. They have no remorse for hurting innocent children and stripping them of their innocence and could care less about going to prison since they'll all be sequestered away from everybody else in that cell for life or for an interminable amount of years. It hurts both ways for a child to be murdered just as a child who is still alive but raped.

[Ree]

*Obviously, with the issues going on in my personal life lately, I only found this thread today, so I apologize for resurrecting if the issue had already been hashed to death.

I don't want the child rapist to think he has to kill the child. By giving him an 'out' (if the child lives, he doesn't get the death penalty), it makes it more likely he will let the 'witness' live. Otherwise, he has nothing to lose by killing the child.

While I agree that the death penalty doesn't fit the crime, I have to say, that argument against it doesn't really hold water.

Child molesters are satisfying a compulsion and urge, and are not actually thinking about the legal consequences of their actions, so, knowing they can get the death penalty if caught would not be a deterrent.

I am against the death penalty, on principle, and don't feel it is merited in any case, as it doesn't make us any better than them when we retaliate against murder by killing those who kill.
(...and, yes, I was also molested as a child.)

[Lace Neil Singer]

To some serial child murderers, the eventual death of the child is the pinnicle (sp?) of their experience, that began with the stalking of the victim. They're not thinking about "Oh dear, this child will identify me so I have to kill them"; they are thinking only of what to do to them next.

Oh yeah, and this is a guy who killed before rape: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/s...l/1_index.html Not a pedophile, per se, but a lot of his victims were children. He couldn't get sexual satisfaction with a live victim; only when his victim was dead. There are a lot of sexual psychopaths with a similar fetish; Reginald Christie could only have sex with his victims once they were dead or dying. In this case, that argument that Ree debunked doesn't hold water.

As far as the whole "pedophilia is a mental illness"; that's what they used to say about homosexuality. Now tho, homosexuality is classed as a sexual preference. Finally, there is a big difference between a guy suffering from a compulsion to go and have sex with an eight year old who resists the compulsion and goes to get help for it... and a monster who actively seeks out and rapes an eight year old. The first deserves help, the second deserves death.

[Plaidman]

Finally, there is a big difference between a guy suffering from a compulsion to go and have sex with an eight year old who resists the compulsion and goes to get help for it... and a monster who actively seeks out and rapes an eight year old. The first deserves help, the second deserves death.

Very true. But first off, like all sexual compusions, it would be a very difficult thing. Not that it solves anything, and they deserve all the help possible.

Also: They say those who rape or molest were most likely moleseted or raped when they were young. I'm not sure how true it is. Hope its not. Otherwise no hope for some and its a repeated cycle.
I won't say anymore. Some on the boards. Others won't. Some little. Some alot. However we all remember it. A burned memoy regardless how much it was or how much you thought you wanted to at the time.

Anyway: Recently article in response to my original post.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/06/...6241214510807/
It allows for judges to allow chemical castration to sex offenders.

However, shocking as it is, I'm slightly against this. I think this should go in effect, for REPEATED offender, not first time. Because as sicking and wrong this crime is, and I'm going to sound like a complete fucking asswhole that should die, I do understand, however SLIGHT, people. are. stupid. They get drunk, or high, or let their insataible lust get the hold of them. NOT excuses, but hardcore time. However, after that, they should have learned their lesson.

[the_std]

The thing about chemical castration is that it stops the person from getting an erection, but it doesn't stop the compulsion to do whatever it is they were doing before.

A person can be raped with inanimate objects as well as with a penis. It might stop some, but it won't solve the problem.

[Boozy]

I thought castration removed sexual urges entirely? (Correct me if I'm wrong, as I might be misinformed here.)

In the case of pedophiles, that would pretty much cure them. They aren't necessarily sadistic. In the case of certain rapists, it wouldn't necessarily help, because rapists tend to enjoy the power and control more than the sex.

[the_std]

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1778

However, some experts argue that Depo-Provera is ineffective and will not prevent molestation. Forced castration may have the adverse affect of angering a criminal, increasing his violent tendencies and lead to additional sexual abuse (2). Additionally, Depo-Provera is reversible. Therefore, unless injections are mandatory and monitored, pedophiles will not be "cured" by the drug therapy. The child molester will have renewed sexual fantasies and high levels of testosterone if the injections are discontinued (7). Joseph Frank Smith, a convicted child molester, became an advocate for chemical castration after undergoing the therapy in the 1980s. Smith stopped using the injections in 1989. In 1999, he was convicted for molesting a five-year old girl and immediately returned to prison (3). Depo-Provera also has caused side effects in some men "including depression, fatigue, diabetes, [and] blood clots" (2). Chemical castration may cause some detrimental effects in child molesters.

However...

Regardless, Depo-Provera has been proven to inhibit the abilities of pedophilias to assault children. The progesterone in Depo-Provera counteracts the biological tendencies that lead men to rape children (4). By lowering testosterone, Depo-Provera reduces sex drive (6). Males can have sexual intercourse (7) but do not want to. Depo-Provera also decreases aggressive tendencies by reducing testosterone. "[T]he castrated criminal would be more docile and have a better opportunity to be rehabilitated, educated, and to become a worthwhile citizen" (1). Castration removes the biological and chemical tendencies that are intrinsically linked to the desire to rape in males.

So it can reduce the sex drive, but might not remove it completely? I'm not sure. I can't vouch for the article's bias (or lack thereof), but I found it interesting.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Once more, I will state that child rape and indeed, rape in general, isn't just about sex. It's also a power thing; of forcing your will on a helpless victim; of making them accept penetration and also of humiliating them. It's a way for someone who is basically powerless to feel powerful. So that a pedophile who has no sex drive could still abuse a child in various horrible ways purely as a power exercise... and it would make it even harder for that child to seek help, due to everyone assuming that just cuz the child's rapist has been castrated, he's no longer dangerous.

[crazylegs]

and it would make it even harder for that child to seek help, due to everyone assuming that just cuz the child's rapist has been castrated, he's no longer dangerous.

If you were to chemically castrate them their sex drive (if male) would drop, it is the sex drive that urges them on to commit these acts, drop their testosterone, increase the estrogen and the sex drive will go.

[Lace Neil Singer]

Not if it's a power exercise. Also, castration would only have a complete effect surely if done before puberty? I know it's that way in animals.

[crazylegs]

Paedophiles have sex with children not because they want control, not because they want to hurt but because they love children in the same way another human loves an adult. They tell children that 'it's their little secret' because the paedophile knows that if they are caught that they will go to prison even though they cannot see what is wrong with their actions.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I read about rape as sometimes being a control exercise; saying a blanket statement like what you said can't mean all child abuse is pedophila, in that case.