This is why I dislike the NRA.....

[Gravekeeper]

Honestly, gun control is a wedge issue/scare issue just like terrorists orgay marriage. Its something they trot out whenever they need to take attention away from more serious issues. Sad as it is there are a significant number of what I will generously call one issue voters. They don't know or care about the whole picture, just convince them the government is gonna take their guns, let gays run wild in streets and Walmart is going to be blown up by brown people and you have their vote.

Its the same with all this patriotism flagpin bullshit. Its not important in any way shape or form but there are seriously people that really sit there and think "HE DON'T LOVE AMERKA~#~!" because someone's going "Psst, he doesn't have a flag pin and an American flag clenched between his buttcheeks"

[Fashion Lad!]

I think that's the point, didn't Obama respond to one question (at some point) with 'That's above my paygrade'?

You're entirely right. I said "Now, Obama seems to be quite ridiculous when it comes to answering questions about gun control." Ridiculous hardly means articulate or even straight-forward.

[Slytovhand]

Just to clarify 1 point.. the last one listed in the link you posted.

So, Obama reckons that if I sell a gun to someone who I know is going to commit a crime using that gun, that I also should be charged (or at least, should be liable to civil suits).


This might be a stupid question - but what's wrong with that???


(assuming I read it right)

Slyt

[Fashion Lad!]

There is nothing wrong with that. What is that in reference to? I am concerned that Obama is going to allow these gun manufactures be sued because someone got shot... Especially since any manufacturer that I know of rarely sells directly to the end user. And ethical people won't sell knowing someone is going to commit a crime. So... It's kind of like if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. Why should the maker of the gun be sued, all they did was make a product. Like when people commit manslaughter with a car, should the maker of that car be sued? No. Obama basically wants to run these gun manufactures into the ground because he's opposed to them.

Sorry for any typos, I'm typing this on my iPod.

[Slytovhand]

I got that from the link provided. That final bill that was voted on included that as one of the options...

A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:

Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime

Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect

Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought

Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations

Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices

Thus, throwing it in with the others actually made that bill a minefield... from my brief read, suing the manufacturer was the only part of that bill that seemed even remotely dodgey (except for the situation where a safety doesn't work).

And out of curiosity (since I presume you are pro-gun), what does an individual need armour-piercing rounds for??

[Fashion Lad!]

Why does anyone need a car that goes 200mph? Why do people need to live in mansions? Why does anyone need excess of anything? If it's not hurting anyone, why can't a law abiding citizen have it? Just because we don't need it, doesn't mean we shouldn't be allowed the chance to own it.

[crazylegs]

And out of curiosity (since I presume you are pro-gun), what does an individual need armour-piercing rounds for??

Is body armour illegal? If not then assume crims wear it, hence the requirement to use Armour defeating ammunition.

[Slytovhand]

And if it is... assume crims wear it... still doesn't follow. Not for general public.

I'm moving this bit to gun control, so this thread stays more NRA rather than gun specific.

[Flyndaran]

The N.R.A. is like P.E.T.A, groups fighting for a good cause just in a horribly incompetent and insulting way.